Ashcroft: 5000 "suspected terrorists" arrested since 9/11, 0 convicted
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If you only knew how much money was/is spent on what they call "fruitless" prosecutions you would like I be sick. They know the outcome and just want to send messages and intimidate the "terrorists" out there. You should see all the money they spend watching folks on the "watchlists". Most of the folks on these "watchlist" have done nothing wrong other then donating money to a charity that the DOJ considers to support terror. Most of the folks on the watchlists are of middle eastern extraction. Many if not most of them are US citizens. Many US Muslims have families in the middle east who live in impovrished conditions and send money back home as a tradition......jdcamb
If you even ask the question you must hate America.Toshi said:but.. but.. aren't i unpatriotic if i don't unquestioningly support everything the government does?
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jdcamb said:
...and some fly planes into world trade center towers.
You mean besides the civil rights of apparantly innocent people?Toshi said:
Last I looked none of them were US citizens. The Watchlist consists almost entirely of either naturaulized US citizens or US citizens. The Customs, the FBI, and DOHS have their own seperate watchlists. Nice try though.....jdcambBurlySurly said:
Toshi said:
Maybe they've got the right 5000, because while there have been 0 convictions there have also been 0 attacks on US soil.
.....................Tiger Repeling Rock anyone?N8 said:
jdcamb said:
So let me get this straight. Even if I accept your "most" at nothing more than a glance. Youre saying that once a person becomes a citizen we should just quit paying them any attention?
Westy said:
You mean 'repelling?'
N8 said:
Echo said:
There have also been 0 missions to Mars, maybe we arrested 5000 astronauts...N8 said:
Tenchiro said:
Not so... lil' robots have been to Mars in the last couple years.
Well yeah, because we arrested all the astronauts.N8 said:
Yes. As citizens of the US they have these certain constitutionally protected rights. Now we may have a few bad apples amongst us. But IMO Mr. Ashcroft has gone way over board with his "watchlist" (literally hundreds of thousands of names appear on it). And in the process he has spent millions of dollars following ordinary law abidding citizens around. Seeing as 0 terrorists have actually been convicted. If he was a baseball player he would be batting 0 (Zero as in none to be clear). Either that or he is barking up the wrong tree?? Type into google Dearborn MI, Lackawana NY, or Arab American persecution and you will see what I mean....jdcambBurlySurly said:
$tinkle said:
alterReality.net...
richard reid was british. ashcroft is not involved in his prosecution.$tinkle said:
jose padilla is actually a great example of misinformation among the right wing sheep, as HE WAS NEVER CONVICTED by a jury. http://www3.warblogging.com/counts/ states
i'm unfamiliar with who you are referring to as the "guys in buffalo" and i don't feel like doing your research so i won't comment on that.
as for the validity of your washington times link citing the "140 convictions" i present this: http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/dec_2003/feds_hype_terrorism_conviction_rate.html
in summary, the administration is full of it, and their collective pants are on fire (not just mr. cheney now).
uhhhh...isn't this article about sweeping up foreign nat'ls? I guessed that's what the article implied by "Until that reversal, the Detroit case had marked the only terrorist conviction obtained from the Justice Department's detention of more than 5,000 foreign nationals in anti-terrorism sweeps since 9/11. "Toshi said:
apologies. I do recall hearing on NPR late last year that he was ordered released. (Happy ramadan?) but, just so i understand: if a detainee is denied bail or not charged, it's "justice denied", but if they're released, it's "justice served"?Toshi said:
the lackawanna 5 were charged with providing support or resources to foreign terrorists 2 years ago.Toshi said:
someone should also present you with a calendar - this is from december 2003. Would you have me to believe nothing has been done since then? Oh, the "impeach bush" banner ad just screams how "balanced" this site is.Toshi said:
i will agree that there needs to be a more speedy & fair process which results in convictions.Toshi said:
oh, i should also add to the final list:
sami al baradai (FL state professor aiding hamas)
john walker lindh ("taliban john")
i'm sure there are other less sensational individuals, but i don't have subpoena power to get all the names.
i'm not sure what "on the magic bag" means in french parlance, but i trust there's a tongue firmly implanted in your cheek.Changleen said:
the article is about citizens and foreign nationals who are prosecuted in the united states. to the best of my knowledge the ashcroft-led u.s. DoJ had nothing to do with richard reid's prosecution, thus it is outside the scope.$tinkle said:
that link actually calls them the lackawanna 6... it looks like they pled guilty after plea bargaining: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/12/buffalo.terror.cell/ . so the govt has not been entirely ineffective, great.$tinkle said:
i didn't claim that the site was balanced. the date is also irrelevant since it is after the justice department started bandying about its claim of 140 terror-related convictions, with the point being tha the convictions were nearly universally related to terror tangentially if at all.$tinkle said:
it's actually sami al-arian. http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2004/0812/dailyUpdate.html?s=ent2 implies that the trial is ongoing. it mentions that the prosecution suffered a setback as the judge stated that simply showing that al-arian sent money to the Palestinian Islamic Jihad was not sufficient to prove that he supported terrorism.$tinkle said:
john walker lindh is a unique case, and he indeed was sentenced to 20 years after pleading guilty "to one count of supplying services to the Taliban and a criminal information charge that he carried a rifle and two hand grenades while fighting against the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance." http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/people/shows/walker/profile.html
so yes, there have been a few convictions and plea bargains. that website claiming 0 convictions was incorrect, even at the time. also evident is that there has not been any widespread pattern of convictions. finally, assuming that the government simply hasn't publicized their successes is ridiculous. if anything the evidence is that the government is simply interning hundreds at guantanemo WITHOUT charging them, and that is an unacceptable breach of due process.
Hey, Tommy Chong is in jail, and Cat Stevens is back in Britain. That's good enough for me...
When these plane flying terrorists come here they started recruiting asscociates in San Diego. They got 10-12 sympatizers to their cause there. How many do you think they could have got in Chicago, New York, LA, or the muslim heavy Detroit? Terrorists walk among us just waiting for the time to strike, or perhaps the trigger to strike.
That being said I have 3 Muslim neighbors, all keep very wierd hours and are always looking at everyone else ont he block with menacing stares, should I call the FBI?
That being said I have 3 Muslim neighbors, all keep very wierd hours and are always looking at everyone else ont he block with menacing stares, should I call the FBI?
I was being a little sarcastic, however in my attempts to be nice to them I always wave when I drive by and I let their "untrained" children play in the street in front f my car waiting for them to clear, and I also allow their kids to litter my yard with their toys. I am by far a better neighbor to them than they are to me.