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Ashcroft is taking on the Porn Industry

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

Me and my liberal opinions on social issues probably already dictate my opinion on this...but as far as I'm concerned if the porn is produced by consenting Adults (not children, not minors, not your pet fluffy), and is purchased by other Adults then I gots no problems with it....I also think, like all illegal things, if they go and really chase the porn industry, they're going to create more work for themselves then they anticipate....

Of course...like the 20s prohibition, there are those who enjoy the fight more than care about the issue ;). (I did not post the whole article...click on the link above to read it in its entirety)
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Administration wages war on pornography
Obscenity: For the first time in 10 years, the U.S. government is spending millions to file charges across the country.

WASHINGTON - Lam Nguyen's job is to sit for hours in a chilly, quiet room devoid of any color but gray and look at pornography. This job, which Nguyen does earnestly from 9 to 5, surrounded by a half-dozen other "computer forensic specialists" like him, has become the focal point of the Justice Department's operation to rid the world of porn.

In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years. Nothing is off limits, they warn, even soft-core cable programs such as HBO's long-running Real Sex or the adult movies widely offered in guestrooms of major hotel chains.

Department officials say they will send "ripples" through an industry that has proliferated on the Internet and grown into an estimated $10 billion-a-year colossus profiting Fortune 500 corporations such as Comcast, which offers hard-core movies on a pay-per-view channel.

The Justice Department recently hired Bruce Taylor, who was instrumental in a handful of convictions obtained over the past year and unsuccessfully represented the state in a 1981 case, Larry Flynt vs. Ohio.

Flynt, who recently opened a Hustler nightclub in Baltimore, says everyone in the business is wary, making sure their taxes are paid and the "talent" is over 18. He says he's ready for a rematch, especially with Taylor.

"Everyone's concerned," Flynt said in an interview. "We deal in plain old vanilla sex. Nothing really outrageous. But who knows, they may want a big target like myself."
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Denver
The political side of me screams "WTF? Stop pushing your personal agenda on America!"

The personal side of me says, "That's cool."

Guess Burly's rubbing off on me... no, not like that you pervert VB :devil: but seriously, does porn have any redeeming value?
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
2,028
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North of Oz
Originally posted by LordOpie
The political side of me screams "WTF? Stop pushing your personal agenda on America!"

The personal side of me says, "That's cool."

Guess Burly's rubbing off on me... no, not like that you pervert VB :devil: but seriously, does porn have any redeeming value?
It's fun to watch with your SO...:p

Actually, I don't watch much of the stuff, I just don't have a personal issue with it. It doesn't affect me, I can Choose to watch it if I want, it does have an entertainment value that many people enjoy...and so long as the "actors/actresses" are consenting adults then I don't have an issue with it at all. What bothers me most is the "Pushing your personal agenda on America!"

Also...Americans have kind of a screwy, uptight attitude towards sex that I find absolutely perplexing. Personally, I think things like Porn should exist if only to help us loosen up somewhat...though I think if it's done in a way that's less "covert" or with less "dirty" associations and has some regulations about who's acting in it and all that, then what's the issue?

I'd love to see them go after the email spammers...but otherwise...eh
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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do you view women's exploitation as a disparate issue?
for me, it's directly related, and is a basis for my disdain for this industry. Moreso now that i'm raising a daughter.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
2,028
1
North of Oz
Originally posted by $tinkle
do you view women's exploitation as a disparate issue?
for me, it's directly related, and is a basis for my disdain for this industry. Moreso now that i'm raising a daughter.
Kind of depends...as a woman I don't find porn offensive, or repulsive. I find it repulsive that there are depraved humans out there exploiting minors and children in the porn industry, but I don't know that I find porn to specifically and always exploit women. I personally prefer porn that exploits a hot man ;).

My point is this...to each their own. I was raised in a pretty strict family (my mother was raised mormon), and in many ways I think that the strictness of my upbringing has led to a more open mind relating to sexual matters...if only because I didn't know any different when I reached adulthood.

Essentially, I don't think we can determine that a person is being exploited if that person is acting in pornography of their own free will and is legally considered to be an adult.

For those raising children, my response is this, if you educate your children in an open and honest manner and directly address issues like this head on with your own honest and well-informed opinion, then you've little to worry about with your children being "exploited."

I do, however, firmly believe that there needs to be restrictions and severe forms of punishment for those that exploit minors and children in the porn industry, or provide easy access to porn for minors.

The other thing is...Porn, like drugs and other "naughty" things, is a personal choice. You can choose to turn the other cheek and not support it by not watching or buying it. If there were no market for pornography, then this would not be such a hot issue.
 

ummbikes

Don't mess with the Santas
Apr 16, 2002
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Originally posted by $tinkle
do you view women's exploitation as a disparate issue?
for me, it's directly related, and is a basis for my disdain for this industry. Moreso now that i'm raising a daughter.
I find myself at the same crossroad I seem to hang out a lot.

Where does exploitation begin?

Are all the "actors" exploited?

Can a woman be allowed to enjoy some raunchy sex and like it? Or is that the domain of men only?

Shesh this is another hot-button issue for Bush, really who gives a crap how many people die in Iraq, were going to get those heathen pornographers.

I am sending back my 700 club membership card...:devil: ;)

Uh, I have 3 daughters, I sincerely hope they don't choose a life in the sex trades, and I also hope there is some shred of freedom and liberty left in this land by the time they are grown.
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
I was raised in a pretty strict family (my mother was raised mormon), and in many ways I think that the strictness of my upbringing has led to a more open mind relating to sexual matters...if only because I didn't know any different when I reached adulthood.
that's perfectly reasonable & unsurprising. My first pecadillos were w/ the "good little girls" who were raised from a thou-shalt-not environment. I find the main weakness w/ the LDS church is that's it's heavily laden w/ works & deeds, not grace & choice.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Essentially, I don't think we can determine that a person is being exploited if that person is acting in pornography of their own free will and is legally considered to be an adult.
though i agree w/ you here, i was speaking more in gen'l terms of the entire gender, rather than a case-by-case basis.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
For those raising children, my response is this, if you educate your children in an open and honest manner and directly address issues like this head on with your own honest and well-informed opinion, then you've little to worry about with your children being "exploited."
so much for picking a fight w/ you - i agree wholeheartedly w/ empowering your children & having them own their choices, not having their paths levied upon them.
Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
I do, however, firmly believe that there needs to be restrictions and severe forms of punishment for those that exploit minors and children in the porn industry, or provide easy access to porn for minors.

The other thing is...Porn, like drugs and other "naughty" things, is a personal choice. You can choose to turn the other cheek and not support it by not watching or buying it. If there were no market for pornography, then this would not be such a hot issue.
whether you realize it or not, you are more prepared to raise a child than most.
 

Jr_Bullit

I'm sooo teenie weenie!!!
Sep 8, 2001
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LOL! Stinkle darlin I think I was more prepared to wade into the fray and argue my head off this mornin ;).

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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
Essentially, I don't think we can determine that a person is being exploited if that person is acting in pornography of their own free will and is legally considered to be an adult.
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though i agree w/ you here, i was speaking more in gen'l terms of the entire gender, rather than a case-by-case basis.

- I dunno that I consider all legal adult females and males to be a case-by-case basis. Lol...if it is not of their free-will then there is definitely somethin wrong happening, and if they are legally considered a minor than it is wrong and those exploiting the minors should be sought out and punished to the maximum of the law. Adulthood comes with so many perks that a child, legally recognized as a child, does not, and should not have. And to some extent that is free will. However much minors might hate it, they are not considered adults legally until a certain age...tough tooties ;).
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Denver
Would anyone be upset if porn became illegal? While I don't want my gov't. telling me what my morals are, I also don't think I would fight them on this issue. I bet some here would, more out of fear of "what's next".

So, where do you draw the line? Now or wait for the next "freedom" to be attacked?
 

Silver

find me a tampon
Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by LordOpie
Would anyone be upset if porn became illegal? While I don't want my gov't. telling me what my morals are, I also don't think I would fight them on this issue. I bet some here would, more out of fear of "what's next".

So, where do you draw the line? Now or wait for the next "freedom" to be attacked?
Uh, yeah. Me.

I like porn. My wife likes porn. I have friends who like porn.

More importantly is the principle. If Ashcroft is the final say in what is acceptable in America, we're all going to be hauled out of bed on Sunday morning to go sing some gospel songs. That's one less day a week I can ride.
 

Jr_Bullit

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Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by LordOpie
Would anyone be upset if porn became illegal? While I don't want my gov't. telling me what my morals are, I also don't think I would fight them on this issue. I bet some here would, more out of fear of "what's next".

So, where do you draw the line? Now or wait for the next "freedom" to be attacked?
I think I'd be upset if porn became illegal...and I don't hardly watch it...but the fact that I would no longer have the ability to enjoy that with a person of my choosing or even by my lonesome without fear of prosecution really bothers me.

The fear of "what's next" is in there as well...I have no desire to be a part of a puritan, religious based nation, and I don't wish to have someone else's value's and world views forced upon me....kind of the nice thing of freedome of choice that I can choose what I believe is offensive or repulsive, I can choose to watch or turn it off...etc etc. What bothers me more is the underlying assumption that we "need" the government to regulate for us....are people really degenerating so fast that they no longer can take responsibility for their own actions and need "big brother" to make blanket decisions of what is morally right or wrong for them?

Now obviously I just opened a whole nother can of worms...understandably so I suppose. We pay our government taxes so they will "police" on our behalf and keep us safe...but what is there about porn, or drugs, or the type of books we read that our government has the right to monitor or sensor, in what way do these vices pose harm to me, if I choose to do them knowing the risks?

Yes - educate till you're blue in the face about the evils of the world, but
No - do not remove a person's ability to make decisions regarding their own vices...free will is a wonderful thing, and the ability to reason and determine what is the best option for yourself is part of what makes humans great.

Yeah you can bring in other "vices" like murder or whatever and turn this from a discussion regarding limiting current freedoms to one of overall human depravity and the need to prevent the REally bad guys from being "bad guys", but I don't think that's the issue here.
 

Velocity Girl

whack-a-mole
Sep 12, 2001
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Atlanta
Originally posted by LordOpie
Would anyone be upset if porn became illegal? While I don't want my gov't. telling me what my morals are, I also don't think I would fight them on this issue. I bet some here would, more out of fear of "what's next".

So, where do you draw the line? Now or wait for the next "freedom" to be attacked?
Hell yes I'd be upset!!! :angry:

Yes, there needs to be laws regulating the industry...to protect minors/children, etc. But what one person finds offensive is another persons fantasy, or reality! I don't force my sexual beliefs/preferences on others, and don't want their limited point of view forced upon me!
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by Velocity Girl
I don't force my sexual beliefs/preferences on others...
Just so you know, if you should ever want to, you can force your preferences on me :devil:

EDIT: I feel somewhat safe saying that cuz I rarely see Freak in here :D
 

Velocity Girl

whack-a-mole
Sep 12, 2001
1,279
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Atlanta
Originally posted by LordOpie
Just so you know, if you should ever want to, you can force your preferences on me :devil:

EDIT: I feel somewhat safe saying that cuz I rarely see Freak in here :D
LOL!!! Yea, he doesn't come in here often...but he's not the jealous type anyway :p

On a side note.....just noticed your sig....that's great! Ever since I left the mid-west I haven't found many people who know what Euchre is, let alone how to play it!!!
 

JRogers

talks too much
Mar 19, 2002
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Originally posted by Velocity Girl

On a side note.....just noticed your sig....that's great! Ever since I left the mid-west I haven't found many people who know what Euchre is, let alone how to play it!!!
Damn, a bunch of kids I live with love Euchre. I tried to pick it up but never could really get it; I kept thinking Whist and Hearts and couldn't get past that. I even lived in Missouri for a few years.

Oh yeah, and porn is fine by me.
 

HippieKai

Pretty Boy....That's right, BOY!
Oct 7, 2002
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Originally posted by Tenchiro
...as the black SUV's surround Kai's house...
i knew they were out for me!:eek:
and ninjas on the lawn too!
and those damn nomes in my closet arn't going to help me because i piised off there garbage dwelling monkey god!
 

brock

Monkey
Sep 6, 2001
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Tacoma, WA
Dammit!

I have been trying to stay the hell out of this forum but this really pisses me off.

I’m not gay so the gay marriage thing does not directly affect me. I am not in the military or even know anyone on the military, so invading countries does not directly affect me. I’m not rich, so the tax cut didn’t apply to me. I’m not having kids so, “no child left behind” BS does not affect me.

But porn? Now that affects me.

I cannot think of a better example of the government meddling in people’s private lives and trying to legislate morality. HBO’s Real Sex? Give me a break. Soft core hotel porn? Indecent? WTF!!!!!

I don’t want ANY administration trying to dictate what I can watch 2 (or more) consenting adults doing on my TV, PC, or whatever.

Land of the free huh?
 

Zoso

Monkey
Jan 31, 2003
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Seattle
I don't ever see porn becoming illegal.
Look at the number of people who use/buy porn in this country? Many of them could even be classified as addicted to it.

There would be another civil war before porn became illegal in this country

"You can have my porn when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."

I gotta make up some stickers that say that.;)
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Originally posted by Zoso
"You can have my porn when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."

I gotta make up some stickers that say that.;)
nice setup.
i'm not taking the bait, however.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
43,504
15,707
Portland, OR
Originally posted by Silver
Uh, yeah. Me.

I like porn. My wife likes porn. I have friends who like porn.

More importantly is the principle. If Ashcroft is the final say in what is acceptable in America, we're all going to be hauled out of bed on Sunday morning to go sing some gospel songs. That's one less day a week I can ride.
Me too!!! My wife as well (she watches it more than me sometimes).
 

Lexx D

Dirty Dozen
Mar 8, 2004
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NY
I love that our Gov. is spending "millions" on this. We have hungry por people with no health ins, People who can't afford an education, etc..... But the all knowing Gov. is trying to rid the world of porn!
Fuk it I am moving to canada!

Oh and I like a little porn myself:thumb: