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update from deseret news describing the killer:

'A good boy'
Investigators were trying to learn more about the man responsible for causing the tragedy. Burbank said Talovic's car was searched, but the chief would not discuss whether evidence was found. He also did not say if any suicide notes were left or messages were posted on the Internet that might provide insight.
On Tuesday morning, police detectives were in South Salt Lake, questioning employees at the Aramark Uniform Supply business where Talovic had worked since December. Aramark managers and a company spokeswoman declined to comment. One employee described Talovic as "quiet."
Police said Talovic had a juvenile record of only four minor offenses. None of his arrests were for violent crimes.
The man had lived at a house with his mother and three younger sisters near the Utah State Fairpark. Neither his mother nor his sisters would answer the door or respond to phone calls Tuesday, although a person inside would pick up the phone and then quickly hang up.
Ajka Omerovic, who said she was Talovic's aunt, visited the home Tuesday afternoon. She told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic had been "a good boy." She said the family are Muslims from Bosnia who had lived in the vicinity of Sarajevo.
Omerovic said she believed the young man's mother had been living here for about four years. Omerovic was extremely distraught and at first said she did not speak English. But she did try to conduct an interview. She and a younger man went inside the home and left with a large cage with two birds in it.
"We want to know what happened, just like you guys," Omerovic told reporters. "We have no idea.... We know him as a good boy."
Asked what he was like, she replied, "He liked everybody, so I don't know what happened."
His mother is in "a difficult situation — she is very sick," she added.

A loner
Many neighbors said that while the mother and young girls were always pleasant and the girls often played with other neighborhood children, Talovic kept to himself.
"I don't even know that there is a man living there," said neighbor Yasmin Castellanos.
Castellanos said police and an ambulance arrived at the house about 5 a.m. Tuesday.
Neighbor Riana Yellowbear said the few times she'd see Talovic walk by, he would never say anything. Another neighbor, John Buddensick, said he also rarely ever saw Talovic.
"I never would have expected anything like that at all," he said. "He was really quiet. He'd just walk in and out."
One of Talovic's former teachers remembered him as a loner who "didn't have any friends in class."
"I just remember a quiet kid, " said Danny Schwam, Talovic's former ninth-grade teacher at the Highland High-Garfield alternative program. "He didn't cause any trouble. He was kind of unassuming. He never acted out."
Schwam said Talovic only came to school about half the time. When Schwam called his mother to discuss the repeated absences, he said, "I usually got, 'He's sick."'
"It's always these kinds of kids," Schwam said. "It's the kids who are distraught, who have nothing to live for...who cause the most severe damage. They don't know what else to do. In their mind, they're at the end of their rope."

 

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Free health care (in this case, mental) could have worked wonders...

 

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(with muzak!)

 

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no shocker here:
salt lake trib: Trolley Square killer had violent juvenile history

The shooting rampage at Trolley Square was not Sulejman Talovic's first act of violence.
At age 12, Talovic was before a judge for allegedly holding a knife over the head of girl while stating, "I'll kill you," according to a source who is familiar with the case.
Two years earlier, Talovic was referred to juvenile court for throwing rocks at a little girl.
About the same time, he threatened his parents' landlord with a knife.
The first girl was not struck by the stones. And the mother of the second girl snatched her up in the nick of time, just as Talovic took a swipe with the blade, according to the source, who has seen court documents relating to the case.
FBI spokesman Patrick Kiernan said investigators are aware of Talovic's juvenile criminal history and are considering what role it might have played in the Trolley Square shootings.
"It's all part of the investigation," Kiernan said. Talovic's relatives have referred to him as "a very nice person" who had never hurt anyone.
"Everything about him was nice. Everybody said so," said his father, Suljo Talovic.
But Musto Redzovic, the family's first landlord in Salt Lake City, said Talovic pulled a knife on him at their duplex apartment in 1998 or 1999. Talovic would have been 9 or 10 at the time.
"He was just a child," said Redzovic, who brushed the incident off and did not report the incident to police.
Redzovic said he believes Talovic did not recognize him and may have been simply trying to protect his family's property, a rundown apartment on Edmonds Place (642 West).
Redzovic described Talovic as "a really bored kid" who looked unhappy.
"I used to feel bad for him," said Redzovic, who believes the behavior was a direct result of the war in Bosnia. "That child must have seen some troubling things in Bosnia." The rock-throwing incident occurred on Sept. 23, 1999. During a juvenile court trial, the allegations were found to be true, although Talovic denied them.
David Geary, now an assistant state attorney general, was Talovic's defense attorney, but on Thursday said he had only a vague recollection of the case.
He guessed that the judge would have ordered counseling and education courses for the boy. Juvenile judges usually do not find it appropriate to hand down harsh sentences to 10-year-olds, Geary noted.
Geary said it was likely the judge took into consideration that the boy and his family were refugees from war-torn Bosnia.
"It's a struggle to find the right interventions," Geary said.
"But the judges worked hard to tailor their remedies to individual situations. They did account for the background of the child and the situation they came from." The knife brandishing episode involving the girl occurred on April 24, 2001, and was eventually dismissed because the victim and her mother could not be located.
Talovic was also referred to court for stealing fireworks from a Smith's grocery store on June 22, 2001.
On July 9, 2001, Talovic admitted the shoplifting crime, and it was the last time he appeared in juvenile court, according to the source, quoting court records.
Court officials said they have been unable to find any juvenile court history on Talovic. The source said the records were expunged in October, when Talovic turned 18.

 

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I like how this thread about violent american culture got totally derailled by this guy being a slobadon.

 

[Changleen]

I like how this thread about violent american culture got totally derailled by this guy being a slobadon.

America made him do it. Duh.

 

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SLC CL R&R is abuzz with people saying this is Bill Clinton's fault...

 

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SLC CL R&R is abuzz with people saying this is Bill Clinton's fault...

if you think about it, a case can be made: clinton authorized a nato bombing campaign that stopped the ethnic cleansing, which would have killed this guy off.

kinda like how abortions prevent crime - a minority report of sorts.