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Vote for whomever then confess your sin, wouldn't everything be peachy then??
History wise isn't the Catholic church the remains of the Roman Empire?
The salvation army?
Not quite, but not quite wrong either.
So yes and no
Sounds like a doctrine imposed by a somewhat renegade bishop. Unless it comes down from the Pope, I ain't buyin' it.
And I'll say this again for the billionth time: what the RC church teaches does not go against scripture. However, there are zealots (like this bishop) who like to take things into their own hands and abuse the power they've been given. But hey, that happens in all religions, doesn't it?
And I'll say this again for the billionth time: what the RC church teaches does not go against scripture. However, there are zealots (like this bishop) who like to take things into their own hands and abuse the power they've been given. But hey, that happens in all religions, doesn't it?
Unless the pope comes out against what this guy said, it will be seen as an endorsment.
The Pope will not do this b/c he recently gave a huge speach on how it is a moral obligation to keep a person "alive" regardless of thier physical condition. In other words, you can't allow someone to die in peace, you MUST try and keep them alive as long a spossible, even if they are brain dead...
The Pope will not do this b/c he recently gave a huge speach on how it is a moral obligation to keep a person "alive" regardless of thier physical condition. In other words, you can't allow someone to die in peace, you MUST try and keep them alive as long a spossible, even if they are brain dead...
I try to withold my judgement of other Christian faiths in check. I have though been studying the some of the doctrines of the RC Chruch, and it has raised alot of questions for me.
From what I have learned (now mind you I have not sat down with a preist or a bishop and discussed this) I do see things in their practices that are contrary to the Scripture or are based on very flimsy evidence in the Scripture.
This is one of the doctrines I struggle with regarding the RC Church, at least from a Scriptural point of view.
Stuff like this is why I'm a sedevacantist.
Actually, I think I have to be a Catholic to be a sedevacantist. Anyone want to start a sedevacantist-agnostic group with me?
Either way, the bishop still thinks I'm going to hell.:devil:
At least I'll be in good company.
Actually, I think I have to be a Catholic to be a sedevacantist. Anyone want to start a sedevacantist-agnostic group with me?
Either way, the bishop still thinks I'm going to hell.:devil:
At least I'll be in good company.
Perhaps only an endorsement within his diocese. Give it some time.
I find that very hard to believe.
In the Pope's encyclical, Evangelium Vitae (1995), he states:
What huge speech?
The Pope is a priest, and just like any other, any priest can hear his confession.
According to the Scriptures every follower of Jesus is a Preist / Minister.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/04/16/pope_decries_euthanasia_hospitals_to_honor_living_wills/
In a talk March 20, Pope John Paul II said that feeding and hydrating such patients is "morally obligatory" -- and that withdrawing feeding tubes constitutes "euthanasia by omission." Since then, American bishops, theologians, and ethicists have been studying the issue closely to see what the pope's words will mean for hospital operations in the United States.
http://www.catholicweb.com/media_index.cfm?fuseaction=view_article&partnerid=23&article_id=1463
The Pope insisted that patients who are terminally ill should not be deprived of food and water-- even when these must be provided by artificial means. Nutrition and hydration, he said, are "natural means of preserving life, not medical procedures." He continued: "Therefore, their use must be considered ordinary and appropriate, and therefore morally obligatory."
That's one of the points of schism b/w Catholics and Protestants -- 'who alone but God can forgive sins?'
Referring to the forgiveness of sins, in Matthew's gospel, Jesus tells Peter (the 1st Pope): "I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
why do i get the feeling you dont know what you're talking about?
Yes, I believe the encyclical I mentioned is referenced in that address too. He speaks of denying the human body it's BASIC needs for nutrition. Your post made it sound like the life must be sustained at any cost with massive amounts of life-support equipment. It all comes down to the Catholic Church's stance on the integrity and preservation of human life.
Regardless of what the Church says the Scriptures are crystal clear when they say (in both the Old Testament and the New Testament) that every followers of Jesus (note: not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a follower of Jesus) is a preist / minister (depending on the translation you use).
As a follower of Jesus, I'm less concerned with what people say is "the truth" and more concerned with finding that truth myself in the Text.
Chapter and verse please from that passage in Matthew. I would suspect that is taken out of context..........I think.
I don't know... b/c you're too close minded to accept that someone has a different opinion?
I only speak about my opinion based on personal experience. You've had a different one, but that does not mean that my perception of how things have happened in my life are wrong - you just have a different opinion.
I dont even have an opinion on this. It just seems like you're bashing something you dont understand. I may be wrong, but its just an observation.
How very Catholic of me to not inlcude Chap and Verse.
Matt. 16:19
How very non-New Testament of them.
I got a chuckle out of that.Originally posted by Tweek
How very Catholic of me to not inlcude Chap and Verse.
The RC interpretation of that verse is very how shall I say "Hellenistic" and not from the Jewish point of view which it was intended and how it was authored.
Jesus being a Rabbi with Authority (S'mikah), along with being the Messiah, was in this Text preparing Peter for the time when he and the other disciples would become Rabbi's (in a sense) and teach others about this whole Jesus movement. This would culminate with Jesus giving them S'mikah ("all authority has been given to you......."). In 1st century Jewish Rabbinic tradition, you could only get S'mikah from someone who had S'mikah, thus Jesus gives it to the disciples before He leaves.
LOL...........the Rabbi in the episode cracks me up................
Oh, S'mikahman... it's the S'mikahman.
Anyway, nothing wrong with that. I don't see how it invalidates Catholic teaching, if that was your point, what with Judaism forming the base of Christianity. Personally, I look at it as the point where Christ established/re-established the priesthood.
Anyway, nothing wrong with that. I don't see how it invalidates Catholic teaching, if that was your point, what with Judaism forming the base of Christianity. Personally, I look at it as the point where Christ established/re-established the priesthood.
My point was (which I think I missed) was that Peter was not given authority to forgive sins in that Text, he was given authority to go teach.Originally posted by Tweek
Oh, S'mikahman... it's the S'mikahman.
Anyway, nothing wrong with that. I don't see how it invalidates Catholic teaching, if that was your point, what with Judaism forming the base of Christianity. Personally, I look at it as the point where Christ established/re-established the priesthood.
We modern westerners tend to think "linearly" and very "Greek", but the problem is the Scriptures were written by Jews with an eastern way of thinking (for the most part) to Jews (for the most part). So when we hear "the Kingdom of God" we in our Greek western mind think "Oh he's referring to heaven". Nope, the Jewish idea of the Kingdom of God (remember Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi) is something that is in the here and now in addition to another realm we call heaven. We read "Eternal life" in the Text and think "Oh that's when I get to heaven". Nope, eternity is now and starts the second you become a follower of Jesus.
Also, there is no mention of the term "Pope" in the Scriptures. I'm sure that was passed down with the Sacred Tradition (which I also struggle with doctrinally). Just as there is no mention of Mary being a perpetual virgin as the Tradition asserts (which I wholeheartedly disagree with).
Personally I have found through my studies that most modern Christianity (Protestants, Catholics, etc.) have hugely deviated from what the 1st century church was (which I beleive is probably our most accurate model of what a New Testament community of believers should be). Through the centuries there has been way too much Hellenistic influence on a faith that was essentially Judiasm + Jesus. Many of the Christian (BTW the word Christian according to the Text is a noun not an adjective) holidays we celebrate are in fact pagan holidays incorporated into the church by Constantine or whoever.
I thought this was appropos:
Today...in History!
May 14 964
Pope John XII dies of injuries inflicted eight days prior by a jealous husband who caught him in flagrante delicto with his wife. The 26-year-old pontiff had received a blow to the temple, causing immediate paralysis. Critics had accused John of converting the Lateran Palace into a whorehouse.
Okay...well not appropriate, and probably not on subject, but I found it amusing.
Today...in History!
May 14 964
Pope John XII dies of injuries inflicted eight days prior by a jealous husband who caught him in flagrante delicto with his wife. The 26-year-old pontiff had received a blow to the temple, causing immediate paralysis. Critics had accused John of converting the Lateran Palace into a whorehouse.
Okay...well not appropriate, and probably not on subject, but I found it amusing.