Really? Less malicious.....
I'm gonna have to try harder next time Shirley
JR- good post mate, agree absolutely
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I'm gonna have to try harder next time Shirley JR- good post mate, agree absolutely
Oh man,Originally posted by valve bouncer
Yeah the missus is a local, we're far away from the big smoke so our mortgage is OK. We got given the land (about 300 square metres- couldn't tell ya in square feet sorry) so we only took out the loan over 15 years. Manageable
The only time I go near computers is to look at porn and argue with you on the
No, I've got my own little school where I teach the locals the intracacies of our mother tongue. I only work 25 hours a week (mostly in the evenings) and that pays the bills and then some, so I've got plenty of time to ride. But mostly I just masturbate but I'm sure you knew that already
You mean the Japanese kids, who already have a strange accent when speaking english get mixed in with your aussie accent and.......oh god. Those poor children
Sounds like a neat job anyway.
First, maybe you dont browse this forum often enough to go on making assumptions like that.
Second, alot of people i know of have that mentality, but there are plenty that dont...you're right. If the quote is not taken literally by you, that's fine and that's one thing, but about the soccer league here where they dont keep score becuase they want kids to focus on "how you play the game" more than the competition itself. I see this as wrong and a perfect example of the issue we're really discussing here. It is taken very literally.
Lastly, winning is always my goal in sports. It should be everyone's if they're truly competing. Well, fun should be i suppose, but winning is definitely more fun than losing. Anyway, Im not dirty player. I take my losses and come back F***ing nuts the next time. I find that to be healthy and positive. Sorry we dont agree, but thats fine too.
I think we are missing the point. The value of competition is not in determining who wins and who loses, but in teaching the lesson that with hard work comes reward. In order for that lesson to have any teeth however there must me a winner and a loser.
Winning is not everything, and losing is not a bad thing. As I said, there is far more to be learned in a loss. One has far more opportunity for personal growth and self examination in losing.
Look at professional golf (lame sport I know but rarely has there been a more clear example of my point): 5 years ago Tiger Woods owned the joint. If he showed up at a tournemant he had roughly a 75% win rate. So what did his competition learn from the repeated trouncings? They learned that this kid was doing things differently than what had been done in the past. No longer could a professional golfer play a 1/2 dozen rounds a week and hope to be succesful at the tournaments. They had to improve their physical strength and conditioning, they had to work on all aspects of their game. Woods changed the way his competiton did business by doing business differently. The result is that Woods' win rate is now below 30%. He is the same guy, he still does things the same way, his average scores aren't different. The difference is that his competion learned, by losing, what it takes to win.
All that being said, I still stand by my point that (with a few exceptions) life is competition. If you are in a corporate environment, or a business owner you are competeing with co-workers or other business for your welfare. That does not mean you seek to f#$% over your competiton, that means you work harder than they do and provide better service and lower costs.
If you go through life thinking that you will move up/ahead based on being a good person you will find yourself at the bottom of the food chain.
Winning is not everything, and losing is not a bad thing. As I said, there is far more to be learned in a loss. One has far more opportunity for personal growth and self examination in losing.
Look at professional golf (lame sport I know but rarely has there been a more clear example of my point): 5 years ago Tiger Woods owned the joint. If he showed up at a tournemant he had roughly a 75% win rate. So what did his competition learn from the repeated trouncings? They learned that this kid was doing things differently than what had been done in the past. No longer could a professional golfer play a 1/2 dozen rounds a week and hope to be succesful at the tournaments. They had to improve their physical strength and conditioning, they had to work on all aspects of their game. Woods changed the way his competiton did business by doing business differently. The result is that Woods' win rate is now below 30%. He is the same guy, he still does things the same way, his average scores aren't different. The difference is that his competion learned, by losing, what it takes to win.
All that being said, I still stand by my point that (with a few exceptions) life is competition. If you are in a corporate environment, or a business owner you are competeing with co-workers or other business for your welfare. That does not mean you seek to f#$% over your competiton, that means you work harder than they do and provide better service and lower costs.
If you go through life thinking that you will move up/ahead based on being a good person you will find yourself at the bottom of the food chain.
perfect.
i got a little off track, but thats what i meant.
In order for compertion to work you need a fairly level field. It works if you seperate people by ability as the pro golf scene is seperated.
Put Tiger Woods in with the average golfer and I am not so sure standards would increase. It might even make Tiger Woods worse.
Put Tiger Woods in with the average golfer and I am not so sure standards would increase. It might even make Tiger Woods worse.
er, back to the point, i agree with ohio. treating kids the same does not make kids the same, and there are ways to work around the whole social issue. for instance in 6th grade me and two buddies sat on a couch and read math books (with the occasional problem set) while the rest of the class did their own math thing. did they care? no, we were still in all the other classes with them, and were within eyesight so no malicious rumors that we were in the principal's office being fed candy and flattered sprung up.
also, there are avenues outside school for "smaht kids" (set, epgy), so maybe the schools could just shove the proper kids that way.
also, there are avenues outside school for "smaht kids" (set, epgy), so maybe the schools could just shove the proper kids that way.
That would require more work and a higher caliber of public school teacher.
Which brings us back to the discussion about teachers unions.
KILL THE TEACHERS!
:devil:
Just like to add, that people with kids can still contribute a valid argument - pretty sure we are all of the product education system, and most of use without kids are recent products of the system so the scaring is still fresh in my mind.
Yeah, finished h.s. bottom of my class, 2.1gpa and still pulled at combined 30 on my act and got 4 and 5's on my AP tests. Yeah, it sure looks like I was 'challenged'
by the education system. Luckily enough my act score and AP tests made up for my poor gpa and class rank and complete lack of community service.
I think I may have a bad attitude on winning and losing... (pss.. this is more joking than anything, relax) But, I guy I used to work for and a Pro1 roadie rode with me a couple times and gave me some pointers on why I suck at crits(the only road races I have done). He told I have the handling skill to finish better, I have the ruding power to finish higher. Then he gave away the secret 'Its not enough to want to win, you have want to win and want everyone else to lose' Kinda lame but helped with my racing.
Yeah, finished h.s. bottom of my class, 2.1gpa and still pulled at combined 30 on my act and got 4 and 5's on my AP tests. Yeah, it sure looks like I was 'challenged'
by the education system. Luckily enough my act score and AP tests made up for my poor gpa and class rank and complete lack of community service.I think I may have a bad attitude on winning and losing... (pss.. this is more joking than anything, relax) But, I guy I used to work for and a Pro1 roadie rode with me a couple times and gave me some pointers on why I suck at crits(the only road races I have done). He told I have the handling skill to finish better, I have the ruding power to finish higher. Then he gave away the secret 'Its not enough to want to win, you have want to win and want everyone else to lose' Kinda lame but helped with my racing.
who knew that Burly Surly's surname was Santini?
it must be great fun to drive w/ (or i guess against) you in traffic.
it must be great fun to drive w/ (or i guess against) you in traffic.
Maybe you have a high IQ but you certainly lack in certain other areas. That's about the nicest response I can give to your post.
There is more to life than academic ability. Intelligence is over-rated.
You are not equal to them, you have some way to go. Grow up.
Santini ws a Marine.
hahahahahahhaha. quite the realist arent you?
I totally agree here. It is like going to a kids football game and seeing parents close to fighting because of calls in the game. The kids are usually just out having a great time. The parents make it a problem.
It is the same way with education sometimes. I know of some parents that are so sure that their kid is going to be gifted that they force them to be. They bombard them with studing and learning but they don't allow them to be a kid. There is a lot for a kid to learn just by playing with other kids.
Random thoughts...
1. BS is the great thinker I always thought he was. Quotes from Vince Lombardi and a character from a Jerry Bruckheimer movie show a penetrating intellect the likes of which few on this board can hope to equal.
2. Lobo is goosesteeping toward fascism, but I think he'll grow out of it in a few years He probably read an Ayn Rand book a little while ago, and at his age those take a while to adjust from, I went through that myself.
3. DT hit the nail right on the head with this one: "Winning is not everything, and losing is not a bad thing. As I said, there is far more to be learned in a loss. One has far more opportunity for personal growth and self examination in losing."
1. BS is the great thinker I always thought he was. Quotes from Vince Lombardi and a character from a Jerry Bruckheimer movie show a penetrating intellect the likes of which few on this board can hope to equal.
2. Lobo is goosesteeping toward fascism, but I think he'll grow out of it in a few years
He probably read an Ayn Rand book a little while ago, and at his age those take a while to adjust from, I went through that myself.3. DT hit the nail right on the head with this one: "Winning is not everything, and losing is not a bad thing. As I said, there is far more to be learned in a loss. One has far more opportunity for personal growth and self examination in losing."
Originally posted by Silver
Random thoughts...
1. BS is the great thinker I always thought he was. Quotes from Vince Lombardi and a character from a Jerry Bruckheimer movie show a penetrating intellect the likes of which few on this board can hope to equal.
2. Lobo is goosesteeping toward fascism, but I think he'll grow out of it in a few years
3. DT hit the nail right on the head with this one: "Winning is not everything, and losing is not a bad thing. As I said, there is far more to be learned in a loss. One has far more opportunity for personal growth and self examination in losing."
I sure hope Lobo grows out of it. I find it somewhat disturbing that he makes a comparison between breaking his arm and having a learning disability. Yeah, I mean we can all see the similarities in a superficial, inconvinient, temporary condition and a usually permanent learning disability that may affect someone their entire life
. Kind of like saying "yeah, I can sympathize with blacks who lived under apartheid because once I sprained my ankle." Please.I hope you're rightOriginally posted by Silver
2. Lobo is goosesteeping toward fascism, but I think he'll grow out of it in a few years
I hope he's right too LO, but there exists the equal and altogether more alarming possibility that he could completely turn into a total wanker. Your choice LOBO, Shirley in his pomp was never as arrogant and demeaning as you've been in this thread. Grow up mate.Originally posted by LordOpie
I hope you're right
:angry:
The rest of you are being too nice. So I'll use a little Loboese for him to better understand. You think that you have potential? As best I can tell your potential is pretty much limited to at best someone that can't seem to figure out why he is always being left behind, ignored or overlooked which probably leads to the worse possibility becoming something in the line of sociopathic serial killer that unfortunately as just enough smarts to avoid being caught for awhile.
When I read your posts all I can think of is the Michael Rappaport character in the movie Higher Learning. So willing to blame your faults and failures on others without the first bit of self inspection. Or even worse just going along with the only group that will have you. Did the special ed kids tell you not to sit with them at lunch because you are an embarrassment is that where all this hostility comes from?
Two of the most important characteristics a truly successful and intelligent man should have are compassion and empathy. In the end this is what separates great men from a$$holes.
Do ya think he's had enough?
LOBO, I might have been a bit hard to a young bloke in my previous post but it's a lesson a few of us (I guess ) have had to learn. I hope you take it to heart. You're obviously a clever young bloke......temper it killer
LOBO, I might have been a bit hard to a young bloke in my previous post but it's a lesson a few of us (I guess
) have had to learn. I hope you take it to heart. You're obviously a clever young bloke......temper it killer
I think he's got off lightly..Originally posted by valve bouncer
Do ya think he's had enough?
LOBO, I might have been a bit hard to a young bloke in my previous post but it's a lesson a few of us (I guess
Ya hard ass
C'mon Fluff, you were a young bloke once, weren't ya?
Ya right though, but I'm on the turps and I'm in a good mood
, so I'll give the squirt a pass (magninimous aren't I ?)
moron.
too lightly, i am in too much of a cshock to say all the things i want to so i simplified it for him.
aww crap, y'all made me agree with VB again
I think VB's comments to Lobo are just right and his point about him being a young bloke is also correct. If I'm not mistaken, Lobo's like 16 yo and very intelligent/educated. G-d willing, he'll become half as wise as he is smart.
Since I can't be too accomodating...
VB, could... ya... use... any more smilies?!
SCORE:
Those who think Lobo got the proper chastising...
Silver
VB
Opie
Those who wanna beat him upside the head with a large fish...
DRB
Fluff
Laura
I think VB's comments to Lobo are just right and his point about him being a young bloke is also correct. If I'm not mistaken, Lobo's like 16 yo and very intelligent/educated. G-d willing, he'll become half as wise as he is smart.
Since I can't be too accomodating...
VB, could... ya... use... any more smilies?!
SCORE:
Those who think Lobo got the proper chastising...
Silver
VB
Opie
Those who wanna beat him upside the head with a large fish...
DRB
Fluff
Laura
there is more to life than academic abillity, however, i dont feel we put near enough emphasis on education.
education will not do us as a whole any good however, if it is just doled out to a select few.
so lobo, you being a absolute genious has very little impact on the society as a whole. what does have an impact, is if we could try to get everyone up to at least a literate level before we let them out into the world.
by not trying to educate everyone to the absolute penacle of their abillities, whether it be a rocket scientist, or a kid who will never reaad above a thrid grade level, we are only cheating ourselves as a whole.
everyone desreves a chance to learn equally, especialy in a public school setting.
let your academics do the talking in secondary education.
You're alright for a fruitcake with man boobiesOriginally posted by LordOpie
aww crap, y'all made me agree with VB again
I think VB's comments to Lobo are just right and his point about him being a young bloke is also correct. If I'm not mistaken, Lobo's like 16 yo and very intelligent/educated. G-d willing, he'll become half as wise as he is smart.
Since I can't be too accomodating...
VB, could... ya... use... any more smilies?!
SCORE:
Those who think Lobo got the proper chastising...
Silver
VB
Opie
Laura
We've all given LOBO are deserved hard time (shut up Shirley ) but none of us have attacked the core of his message so here goes.
LOBO, we don't have any idea what these guys are capable of. The human brain is a way way underexplored organ. We all think they are "spastics" or "retards" but the truth be known we don't really know what's happening upstairs. Sure they are different to normal, but sh*t normal is such a subjective thing that it is really worth while to find out just what can be achieved.
Who knows what these guys can do....it's worth a bit of effort mate. Don't write them off, they have and they will surprise you.
VB---- trying, but perhaps failing, not to sound like a patronising wanker
) but none of us have attacked the core of his message so here goes.LOBO, we don't have any idea what these guys are capable of. The human brain is a way way underexplored organ. We all think they are "spastics" or "retards" but the truth be known we don't really know what's happening upstairs. Sure they are different to normal, but sh*t normal is such a subjective thing that it is really worth while to find out just what can be achieved.
Who knows what these guys can do....it's worth a bit of effort mate. Don't write them off, they have and they will surprise you
. VB---- trying, but perhaps failing, not to sound like a patronising wanker
In a minute someone is gonna start rattling on about "Rainman" but actually you've grasped my point completely
A word about special ed kids:
My mom was a special ed teacher...she dealt with kids with Downs syndrome...among other stuff
She taught in a regular public high school, with "normal kids". Her main goal was to teach them how to function as best they could in society. So she taught reading and math etc, on a VERY practical level. She taught them to cook, and then they would have bi-weekly bake sales.
So she would take them grocery shopping for the supplies, she taught them to read labels, figure out how much stuff costs, how to interact with the staff in the store.
She taught them to cook, so the could feed themselves....reading recipes etc
Then the kids would sell what they made to the rest of the school. They learned about money, how to calculate change, and they got to interact with their peers, making their situation less scary for everyone in the school.
So no....studying the declaration independance ..or whatever, may not be of the greatest value to them, but they are able to learn....
My mom was a special ed teacher...she dealt with kids with Downs syndrome...among other stuff
She taught in a regular public high school, with "normal kids". Her main goal was to teach them how to function as best they could in society. So she taught reading and math etc, on a VERY practical level. She taught them to cook, and then they would have bi-weekly bake sales.
So she would take them grocery shopping for the supplies, she taught them to read labels, figure out how much stuff costs, how to interact with the staff in the store.
She taught them to cook, so the could feed themselves....reading recipes etc
Then the kids would sell what they made to the rest of the school. They learned about money, how to calculate change, and they got to interact with their peers, making their situation less scary for everyone in the school.
So no....studying the declaration independance ..or whatever, may not be of the greatest value to them, but they are able to learn....
LOL...that's what you get for posting in the blowhard forumOriginally posted by Grimey
Wow... 6 pages and all I really wanted is to see my friends little brother ride the pro section.
i think it basically all comes down to the budget that the damn US government gives schools. with the small amount of money that schools here get, im not suprised if people are farther ahead or behind the "norm." also, the huge amount of money spent on sports every year, especially at the college level, is kinda crazy. it does bring in revenue, but your paying the coach 2 million a year and the biology professer 100k a year... i just find that interesting. look at europe. ive seen graphs that show that american education falls increasingly behind starting in middle school through college.
for a study i took at school last year, on fridays we went up to a preschool that is close to ours and helped the teachers out. several of my friends worked in the special ed program and man, let me tell you, what those teachers do is amazing. i got alot of respect for mmikes mom.
for a study i took at school last year, on fridays we went up to a preschool that is close to ours and helped the teachers out. several of my friends worked in the special ed program and man, let me tell you, what those teachers do is amazing. i got alot of respect for mmikes mom.
Note that MMike has not picked you up on grammatical errors when you're being complimentary about his mother.Originally posted by LordOpie
I think all kids need to be taught stuff like this
you're mom is way cool!
Now, had you said "you're cross-dressing is so passe" he'd point out the errors like a shot.
Yes because it would be craziness to say that. I'm the most progressive cross-dresser I know...