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Azonic Outlaws vs. Sun-Ringle ADDs

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Nagaredama, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. Nagaredama

    Nagaredama Turbo Monkey

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    What are everyone's thoughts on the Outlaws vs. the ADDs? Similar weight and price after discounts. If the ADD lites were out I would go for those but they aren't so it is Ano grey Outlaws vs. ADDs.

    Thoughts?
     

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  2. Transcend

    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    The hubs on all of the ADDs I saw last summer got sloppy as hell after about 3 rides. No idea about the Azonic.
     
  3. Nagaredama

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    Do you know if it was easily fixed with new bearings? What did the Sun-Ringle factory riders do?

    I've had Outlaws on my AS-X for about 3 years and they've worked really. Just bought a new frame that uses 150mm spacing so it is time for a new cheap-ish wheelset.
     
  4. Threepointtwo

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    I don't have any experience with ADD's but have been very happy with Outlaws. I have been using then for the past 2 years on my DH rigs ith no problems.
     
  5. Nick

    Nick My name is Nick

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    Can't comment on the Outlaws, but I would never run Ringle hubs again. I'm guessing what Transcend means is the drive pawls were sloppy (sorry if I'm mistaken) as I was rebuilding/replacing the pawls every few months. They would just shear their edges until the slipping engagement ultimately turned into walking out the woods.
     
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    I've had great luck with Outlaws all last season. For the price they are decently light and super tough for a machine built wheelset. Can't really go wrong if you're looking to save some coin.
     
  7. Transcend

    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    The engagement was sloppy (springs shot and rounded pawls), as was the actual hub. The shell would rock back and forth on it's bearings. Horrible.
     
  8. buildyourown

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    Outlaws.
    They are cheap and light. The hubs aren't stellar, but they don't suck either.
    I really don't care for Ringle hubs.
     
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    i have a pair of outlaws and i don't have ant complaints with them. there a great set of wheels .
     
  10. Jim Mac

    Jim Mac MAKE ENDURO GREAT AGAIN

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    Outlaws are a good bang for the buck. Fairly easy to service. I love Sun rims, but the hubs...
     
  11. Big J

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    I picked up two pairs of ADD's for this coming season and I don't foresee a hub issue since I've beaten the snot out of my ABBA's which to this day roll just fine.

    Granted I've never had the Jump'n Flea's before but I did get crabs from a chick in college.

    J
     
  12. CRoss

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    Sun Ringle must design the bearings and hubs to do this. I have never seen a Ringle hub not develop a ton of unfixable slop. Once they do get the initial slop though it never seems to get worse.
     
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    ive had a sun rear hub attached to an mtx for at least 2 years now and i have yet to have a problem. havent serviced the hub or anything and still rolls better than most of my friends's wheels (profile, woodman etc...) rim is awesome too
     
  14. CRoss

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    My front Ringle hub rolls awesome! It sounds horrible and makes your headset feel like it is loose, but it out rolls many new high priced hubs.:twitch:
     
  15. sperkins

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    Yeah if you are looking for a cheaper one, go with Outlaws.
     
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    Sun was a sponsor of mine back in 2001 till 2003. I now run OutLaws and can say they are just as good as any wheel out there. Kings and I9s are another story...
     
  17. mandown

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    just got my outlaws a while back and haven't beaten on them too bad yet, but they are holding up fine.
     
  18. whale

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    :thumb: on the outlaws. they are the best bang for your buck set of wheels i have owned. i have 2 pairs and after 2+ years, they are still running great. i have one set for my DH bike and one for my trail bike.
     
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    Just another vote for the outlaws. I beat on a set of outlaws (that I purchased used) for 2.5 years without even having to tighten a spoke. No problems. Finally started breaking spokes a bit ago. For the money, I'm not sure you can do better.
     
  20. TomBo

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    Ringle Abba hubs have been ok for me. Front is great, but the rear (150mm) needs new bearings once or twice a season. At least there easy to service and find bearings for. Pawls have been fine. Personally haven't heard any about he jumping fleas yet. Wish I would have gone with Hope Pro 2s...