Can't belive one of you tinfoil hats haven't posted this yet...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
Ban guns from military bases!
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Just down the road from me. Trouble is, it sounds like military issue guns. My closest friends there are safe. It's sad and troubling for me though. 20 miles is too close for me to feel good.
Shocker...the dead shooter is Islamic. When does this stop here???
Ban islamic people from military bases!
This guy is going to come back as black bag psych.
Army is trying too hard to keep his name off the books.
My money says interrogator, finally saw too much.
Army is trying too hard to keep his name off the books.
My money says interrogator, finally saw too much.
Never deployed though.
Nope, he was a shrink. Ironic.
He deployed 3 times, on his way to his fourth. met him in the hospital a couple times
I thought he had never deployed. Nieves said he was whacky enough that he had thrown him out of his office twice.
Pretty sure I had him in the shop about a month ago. Not sure, but man he looks familiar and so does the name.
Pretty sure I had him in the shop about a month ago. Not sure, but man he looks familiar and so does the name.
Its all obamas fault!!!!!!!
btw - not dead. In custody...with holes.
Guns are effectively banned from military bases. You can only carry if you're an MP on duty, standing a particular guard post, etc. That's why it took a uniformed civilian police officer to shoot him.
Guns are INCREDIBLY tightly controlled by the military; ammo even moreso. Units have to lock their weapons up as a group immediately after training/cleaning and physically check for remaining ammunition in clothes and equipment. If a gun's not in the armory, they will lock down the base until it's found. Obviously, this tragedy can't have happened, because guns were banned from the area. That means no bad guys can have a gun, right?
I heard on the news he'd never deployed to Iraq; maybe he'd deployed to Afghanistan or elsewhere previously.
Guns are INCREDIBLY tightly controlled by the military; ammo even moreso. Units have to lock their weapons up as a group immediately after training/cleaning and physically check for remaining ammunition in clothes and equipment. If a gun's not in the armory, they will lock down the base until it's found. Obviously, this tragedy can't have happened, because guns were banned from the area. That means no bad guys can have a gun, right?
I heard on the news he'd never deployed to Iraq; maybe he'd deployed to Afghanistan or elsewhere previously.
Two close friends know him. He had never deployed, according to them. One of my two friends had issues with him a month or so ago.
Initially they said he had an M16. Sounds like a handgun was used. They were pretty vague on the news.
Initially they said he had an M16. Sounds like a handgun was used. They were pretty vague on the news.
bull crap....you can have as many weapons as you want at your home as long as they are recorded.....
you are allowed 3 weapons in transit from the range and back to your dwelling.
you are allowed 3 weapons in transit from the range and back to your dwelling.
Interesting to note that although American born they classify him by his ancestry (Jordanian)....... if someone is a 2nd generation European American, would they call him by that or American?
*edit of a sorts*
I would have changed that post above but decided to let it stand as is and post this seperately.
My thoughts are with the families of the injured and fallen.
****ty way to go for those who wanted to serve.
I would have changed that post above but decided to let it stand as is and post this seperately.
My thoughts are with the families of the injured and fallen.
****ty way to go for those who wanted to serve.
Well, I was talking about issued weapons, sure. You can own guns and keep them in your home if you don't live in the barracks, I suppose...never dealt with that myself.
But you can't legally CCW or transport a loaded, unlocked firearm on any base I've worked on.
Navy always "suggested" if we lived on post that my guns would have their serial numbers written down and they'd be living at the armory.
I never lived on base just because of this.
This just don't wash right. I'm sayin he was more than meets the eye, and not in the sense that he could turn from being a Jordinian to being a helicopter.
I never lived on base just because of this.
This just don't wash right. I'm sayin he was more than meets the eye, and not in the sense that he could turn from being a Jordinian to being a helicopter.
Yeah, when I was an ordnance officer, we kept personally-owned firearms in the armory. But we digress... DaveW is right on.
Dirt, I'm 100% sure that being a devout Muslim had something to do with his feelings on the Iraq war and on him becoming a mass murderer. That said, people commit mass murder for all kinds of reasons.
Then again, there was the previous grenade-tossing incident by Hasan Akbar, which IIRC involved a Muslim soldier who felt greater loyalty to an imagined duty as a Muslim to fight against the United States military...
But instead of dwelling on the extraordinarily rare instances of murderous traitors and tarring with a broad brush, maybe we should look at the rather astonishing tradition of Americans of various ancestries which could have been considered problematic, or at least a dis-incentive to serve, fighting honorably for their country. Japanese and German and Native American, whatever. Alienating American fighting men/women of Muslim ancestry is probably a net loss at this point.
Dirt, I'm 100% sure that being a devout Muslim had something to do with his feelings on the Iraq war and on him becoming a mass murderer. That said, people commit mass murder for all kinds of reasons.
Then again, there was the previous grenade-tossing incident by Hasan Akbar, which IIRC involved a Muslim soldier who felt greater loyalty to an imagined duty as a Muslim to fight against the United States military...
But instead of dwelling on the extraordinarily rare instances of murderous traitors and tarring with a broad brush, maybe we should look at the rather astonishing tradition of Americans of various ancestries which could have been considered problematic, or at least a dis-incentive to serve, fighting honorably for their country. Japanese and German and Native American, whatever. Alienating American fighting men/women of Muslim ancestry is probably a net loss at this point.
I have several friends that listened on the scanner. Police reported shots fired at multiple locations. I think the two released got carried off. I don't believe they were released, personally. It took way longer for a press release than the WTC or Pentagon did. I think they are not telling something.
Glad it stopped when it did, though. I have a heavy heart and lots of anger over this. I'm not at Hood much, but we have a store over in Killeen and I do make periodic trips onto post. Two of my best friends were around.
Confused or circular reporting during a crisis is pretty par for the course, and the potentially combustible ol' "islam" factor means any law enforcement involved is going to take a LONG time combing over their words before letting any info out.
I wouldn't read too deeply into anything yet.
I wouldn't read too deeply into anything yet.
That's just what they WANT you to think...
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My crackpot theory when I first heard about this was that the guy snapped having to deal with being Muslim and working with mentally unstable good ol' military boys that probably had a little too much fun pillaging those pathetic animals in Iraq and Afghanistan...
I'll be interested in hearing what the entire story is.
I'll be interested in hearing what the entire story is.
Man trained to kill kills. Story at 11...
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Maybe its just my distrust of the military these days.
And maybe my instincts are wrong.
And I might be paranoid.
And maybe my instincts are wrong.
And I might be paranoid.
from a well known right wing news source showing the shooter calmly and happily chatting with a gas station clerk right before the shooting.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
and yeah, we will never know his true motive.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/fort.hood.foster/
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
and yeah, we will never know his true motive.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/fort.hood.foster/
I know everyone loves to slob Silver's knob with the "brown people" thing, but the US military has *never* hesitated to kill white people in massive numbers when ordered to.
Right, wrong, or otherwise.
Yeah, and the Republican party was the party that freed the slaves...
Let's leave "necessary" wars out of it. So strike WW1, WW2, and hell, even Korea.
Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq-Did I miss any?
In other words:
Yellow, Black, Brown, Brown, White, Brown, Brown.
Revolutionary war. 1812. Civil war.
Give me a ****ing break.
Yeah, the US has been at war with LOTS of people. Not always justly. (real surprise.) The majority of people in the world aren't white. ****ing astounding, isn't it?
Edit: Oh, wait, I see. You discounted wars that actually involved the killing of incredibly large amounts of people--many/most of whom were white. Makes perfect sense when you're trying to avoid the fact that the US military is trained to kill whomever the government tells it to kill, regardless of race. And it does the job very well.
Give me a ****ing break.
Yeah, the US has been at war with LOTS of people. Not always justly. (real surprise.) The majority of people in the world aren't white. ****ing astounding, isn't it?
Edit: Oh, wait, I see. You discounted wars that actually involved the killing of incredibly large amounts of people--many/most of whom were white. Makes perfect sense when you're trying to avoid the fact that the US military is trained to kill whomever the government tells it to kill, regardless of race. And it does the job very well.
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Well not in Viet nam. They had their (white) asses handed to them that time.
That was kind of my point with the Republican party being the party that freed the slaves (so Republicans can't be racists, dontcha know, you betcha!) comparison...
I'm not saying that the Pentagon selects military targets based on color. I'm saying that the majority of Americans find it much easier to bury what little empathy they have when the kids getting blown up have some melanin in their genetic code.
edit: Don't get your vag all sandy. Ok, thrown in WW1, WW2, and Korea.
We've got white, white/yellow, and yellow. I was trying to restrict my examples to the era after horse drawn artillery
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Yeah, and we never did. We just fought all those proxy wars...