Banshee Slopestyle Bike
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that looks pretty effin sweet..
looks sweet as hell, "slopestyle" eh. I say mini DH...Transition is going to have some competition this year...Wonder how many Bottlerocket or Banshee threads we will see around 
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hehe ^^
Don't forget the Intense Slopestyle bike as well. Wonder what Santacruz has in store...
Don't forget the Intense Slopestyle bike as well. Wonder what Santacruz has in store...
Actually referred to as: Turner 4bar systemi love how they advertise it as a 4-bar but it is a single pivot.
Don't have any idea what that means unless Turner has patented that particular type of linkage driven SinglePivot? Still funny though.
same system kona used/uses. its a faux-bar SP, and it has worked well (enough) for years
My question is: What makes it different from konas, versus, dirtbags and the countless other bikes it resembles? Not hatin, just wondering what it's highlights are.
The name...
Why does everyone perpetuate what is essentially a marketing term? The marketing department of (Specialized?) should really give themselves a pat on the back to have it used so commonly.
I am probably weird, but to me it just conjures up feeling similar to any fatist/ageist/racist comment everytime I hear it. Maybe suspensionist? Rant over.
im guessing it be 5lbs heavier
It's not a horst link but it is a four bar. Do some searching and learn why.i love how they advertise it as a 4-bar but it is a single pivot.
....whats so special about the bike?
its a 4-bar and has a 1.5 ht other than that?
nothing ground breaking
its a 4-bar and has a 1.5 ht other than that?
nothing ground breaking
Its another slopestyle bike is all. Options are good for people looking for these types of bikes. 1.5" headtube, and it is supposed to ring at 7lbs.
I'm glad to see you guys like the wildcard, for updates on this bike, and our other totally new designs, then visit the industry insider blog from time to time
http://bansheebikes.blogspot.com/
The wildcard should be a fun agile bike to shred around on.
Keith
http://bansheebikes.blogspot.com/
The wildcard should be a fun agile bike to shred around on.
Keith
Ok to tell the diff between FSR and 4 bar look at the pivot nearest the dropout. On a FSR bike the pivot is on the chainstay and the dropout is on the seat stay and ass you can see from the banshee it is the opposite.
i can't wait to see the geo numbers
btw - it is a single pivot. there is a pivot by the BB and the "bar" that is connected to that is the same as the one connected to the axle, thus making it a single pivot. the other "bars" are just linkage parts to actuate the shock.
btw - it is a single pivot. there is a pivot by the BB and the "bar" that is connected to that is the same as the one connected to the axle, thus making it a single pivot. the other "bars" are just linkage parts to actuate the shock.
The similarities between this linkage and a single pivot go as far as axle path and braking characteristics. You can not call a 4 bar linkage a single pivot, for a start it has 4 pivots! The strength and stiffness characteristics are far superior to a single pivot bike of equal weight due to having 2 spaced pivot points on the main frame offering a higher effective second moment of area. also the leverage ratio can be tuned a lot better to what you want, and the shock mount is placed near the BB where there is strength rather than mid tube.
so basically you cannot call this a single pivot design.
yes i can, because it is.
i don't care how you brace it for strength, stiffness, and leverage ratio; the "suspension" part of the equation is based on the one pivot.
what about the leverage ratio... that is a very important part of the suspension, and a much better leverage ratio can be achieved by using 4 bar oer single pivot.
it's like saying that there is no difference between a wolf and a chiwawa, because they are both dogs!
it's like saying that there is no difference between a wolf and a chiwawa, because they are both dogs!
It may be an overcomplicated single pivot, but it's still a single pivot. One pivot between the axle and the BB means its a singlepivot.
If you took a bullit and angled the shock correctly in relation to the Raxle and Mpivot, you could produce a leverage ratio very similar to any Kona style single pivot.
Point is, its a single pivot. Multi pivot = FSR, DW, VPP, Karpiel, etc.
If you took a bullit and angled the shock correctly in relation to the Raxle and Mpivot, you could produce a leverage ratio very similar to any Kona style single pivot.
Point is, its a single pivot. Multi pivot = FSR, DW, VPP, Karpiel, etc.
As a good friend said when seeing this ultrasecret cad drawing for the first time...
"Eh?"
Do something neat, Banshee. This qualifies as...eh.
"Eh?"
Do something neat, Banshee. This qualifies as...eh.
My feelings exactly. The only statistic that really stands out is "1.2lbs lighter than the bottlerocket" But other than that, im kinda underwhelmed
so what your saying is that you would like a new style linkage every year, even if the new linkage is not as good as the old one for the desired purpose.
The bottlerocket uses the same linkage as the wildcard. only differences are that it weighs more, has a high centre of gravity due to shock placement, and longer linkage arms so has potential to flex more.
Yet I didn't see anyone comment on is being too similar...
i like the rig. i might post up some $$$ for it when it hits the streets. 1.2lbs lighter, a bit more suspension adjustment. i gotta look at the rest of the BR numbers to see what else is different. i want to see what it looks like though. the bling factor will need to be there. i also hope banshee doesn't over-leverage the shock like they have done in the past.
anyone else notice that they did not use the V4B suspension design from the Pyre on this. wonder why?
Using the faux-bar linkage for this bike resulted in a stiffer and stronger rear end. Just using the best tool for the job. The VF4B linkage is best suited to shorter travel more XC / epic bikes.
General leverage ratio..
at 6.5" setting 2.81:1
at 5" setting 2.24:1
both are designed to be progressive through the travel
I think that a true single pivot bike like the ones santa cruz is still making are great handling bikes.The technology may be old but they have tweeked it to a very high degree of mtb bike fineness.I prefer thier single pivot to the vpp for many types of riding.
I see no reason to rework a whole susp.design every year or so instead of refineing it and getting everything you can out of it.That, to me is what is wrong with this sport today.Everything is dumpded every couple of years for the next holy grail of susp.
I see no reason to rework a whole susp.design every year or so instead of refineing it and getting everything you can out of it.That, to me is what is wrong with this sport today.Everything is dumpded every couple of years for the next holy grail of susp.
I completely agree with you. Bikes like the bullit and the oranges, etc, all ride very well. Balfa/Appalache, Foes, Yeti, etc. The new Honda bikes are single pivots. There is no reason for the added weight and complexity of the walking beam. I highly doubt it is stronger in the application it is used, considering how thin a lot of that material and how small the pivots generally are when compared to single pivot bikes of the same weight. Granted, the load is dispersed on a great area, thus dissipating some of the stress, but I highly doubt that it comes close to a solid single pivot bike without a linkage.
Factors like...
"Oh sh!t, we were late to the slopestyle party..." ?
Go ahead and say it. No one will think any different of Banshee, I assure you.
It's just annoying when a company pumps out a bike that is no different than anything else already out and overhypes it, claiming it to be the latest and greatest in "non-single pivot technology".
irate2:actually I don't think we are "late to the party" most bike companies do not have a slopestyle specific bike yet.Factors like...
"Oh sh!t, we were late to the slopestyle party..." ?
It's just annoying when a company pumps out a bike that is no different than anything else already out and overhypes it, claiming it to be the latest and greatest in "non-single pivot technology".
we just stated the facts, if you feel thats over hyping it, then thats fine, the shock is not swingarm actuated, there for it is not single pivot, although the axle path is as if it was single pivot.. ok think we have gone over that point enough. We stand by our products, and we believe in them. There are a lot of haters out there apparently (which personally I think is weird, cos if anything that just holds the sport back) so don't buy one if you don't want to, but hopefully the people that do buy them will love the way they ride.
We didn't even want people to discover the industry blog, it was originally intended for distributers and such like, if there has been hype about the bike, then thats great, but we didn't start it.
honestly, i think the low single pivot is great for a slopestyle bike. the wheelbase shortens as it compresses (unlike other high pivots menioned) making for a snappy feel in the corners. high pivots are great in rough stuff, but when was the last time you had to plow a rock garden at whistler?
you just hit the nail on the head there mate!
you gotta be kidding me. you posted the link to it
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