Actually referred to as: Turner 4bar systemi love how they advertise it as a 4-bar but it is a single pivot.
The name...My question is: What makes it different from konas, versus, dirtbags and the countless other bikes it resembles? Not hatin, just wondering what it's highlights are.
Why does everyone perpetuate what is essentially a marketing term? The marketing department of (Specialized?) should really give themselves a pat on the back to have it used so commonly.its a faux-bar SP
im guessing it be 5lbs heavierMy question is: What makes it different from konas, versus, dirtbags and the countless other bikes it resembles? Not hatin, just wondering what it's highlights are.
It's not a horst link but it is a four bar. Do some searching and learn why.i love how they advertise it as a 4-bar but it is a single pivot.
btw - it is a single pivot. there is a pivot by the BB and the "bar" that is connected to that is the same as the one connected to the axle, thus making it a single pivot. the other "bars" are just linkage parts to actuate the shock.
yes i can, because it is.The similarities between this linkage and a single pivot go as far as axle path and braking characteristics. You can not call a 4 bar linkage a single pivot, for a start it has 4 pivots! The strength and stiffness characteristics are far superior to a single pivot bike of equal weight due to having 2 spaced pivot points on the main frame offering a higher effective second moment of area. also the leverage ratio can be tuned a lot better to what you want, and the shock mount is placed near the BB where there is strength rather than mid tube.
so basically you cannot call this a single pivot design.
My feelings exactly. The only statistic that really stands out is "1.2lbs lighter than the bottlerocket" But other than that, im kinda underwhelmedAs a good friend said when seeing this ultrasecret cad drawing for the first time...
"Eh?"
Do something neat, Banshee. This qualifies as...eh.
hahah ok well you are free to believe that if you wish, I personally know that you are overlooking so many factors. but yes the axle path is like a single pivot.It may be an overcomplicated single pivot, but it's still a single pivot. One pivot between the axle and the BB means its a singlepivot.
If you took a bullit and angled the shock correctly in relation to the Raxle and Mpivot, you could produce a leverage ratio very similar to any Kona style single pivot.
Point is, its a single pivot. Multi pivot = FSR, DW, VPP, Karpiel, etc.
so what your saying is that you would like a new style linkage every year, even if the new linkage is not as good as the old one for the desired purpose.My feelings exactly. The only statistic that really stands out is "1.2lbs lighter than the bottlerocket" But other than that, im kinda underwhelmed
Using the faux-bar linkage for this bike resulted in a stiffer and stronger rear end. Just using the best tool for the job. The VF4B linkage is best suited to shorter travel more XC / epic bikes.anyone else notice that they did not use the V4B suspension design from the Pyre on this. wonder why?
General leverage ratio..i also hope banshee doesn't over-leverage the shock like they have done in the past.
Factors like...hahah ok well you are free to believe that if you wish, I personally know that you are overlooking so many factors. but yes the axle path is like a single pivot.
What exactly are you basing this one? Just a hunch? Or do you live in a world that has different laws of physics? Maybe you should read some engineering material to gain a better understanding of everyday mechanics before stating your guesses as fact.Granted, the load is dispersed on a great area, thus dissipating some of the stress, but I highly doubt that it comes close to a solid single pivot bike without a linkage.
actually I don't think we are "late to the party" most bike companies do not have a slopestyle specific bike yet.Factors like...
"Oh sh!t, we were late to the slopestyle party..." ?
It's just annoying when a company pumps out a bike that is no different than anything else already out and overhypes it, claiming it to be the latest and greatest in "non-single pivot technology".
irate2:
you just hit the nail on the head there mate!honestly, i think the low single pivot is great for a slopestyle bike. the wheelbase shortens as it compresses (unlike other high pivots menioned) making for a snappy feel in the corners. high pivots are great in rough stuff, but when was the last time you had to plow a rock garden at whistler?
you gotta be kidding me. you posted the link to it oster_oops:We didn't even want people to discover the industry blog,