[$tinkle]

from the editors:

Lots of questions have been raised about 9/11:

Why was the hole in the Pentagon wall so small and why was there so little damage to the outer wall?

Why does it look like there is no plane at the crash site in Pennsylvania where flight United 93 came down?

Why did a building called World Trade Centre Building 7 collapse even though it was never hit by an aircraft?

And why was America so unprepared when terror attack warnings had been received?

Through the internet and the media generally, allegations of complicity by the US government in the 9/11 attacks are intensifying.

and so on.

without a whiff of irony, they also offer this story: we're all conspiracy theorists at heart

indeed.

 

[bac]

And why was America so unprepared when terror attack warnings had been received?

This one does have some merit. The others are just plain silly.

 

[LordOpie]

It's obvious to any intelligent person that this Administration planned and killed 1000s of Americans to further their agenda.

The facts are there, hidden beneath the irony.

 

[DRB]

What about dubya's actions have shown any need for an excuse or a reason to do anything?

 

[$tinkle]

i'm recalling a story from last september from that right-wing mouthpiece alternet.org.

it's a must-browse

 

[fluff]

It's obvious to any intelligent person that this Administration planned and killed 1000s of Americans to further their agenda.

The facts are there, hidden beneath the irony.

OK, but think about all the dirty Arabs and ignorant Afghans he has cleansed from the world. Is it worth it?

 

[rockwool]

I used to laugh at stuff like this, just like the whole society around me also was. We live in societies were the masses hunt those (minorities) who differ from them; the blackheads; the gipsies; the less gifted; them kookoo Hare Krishnas and the conspiracy nutters. A hunt that is powered by fear, the fear to stand out, to not "fit in", the strong attacking the weak.
It's natures way.

We look at our technical progresseses, embrase our selves and say "wir sind zie master spiecies, we're higher up on the food chain, get in our bellies", unwanting to see our behaviour pattern resembles the one of the hyenas.
Our ego's are soo big, our humbleness soo small, and this all could be made nonexistent through information and science, some eventually, some now. But we live in societies were even science of psychedelic substences are totally tabu. They and the people that in any way are affiliated to them are hunted, discredited, ridiculed, and eventually terrorized to silence.

Scientists that have studied psychedelics have found a lot of the generally known "truths" about them to be false, they have also made some amazing discoveries, but you can't say this to Everyday Dave, because he's been told about these things from his very first day alive and therefore is so strong in his belife and of his knowledge about them.

It works the same way with the conspiracy nutters. These people have come to conclusions from a whole lot of research. They've been deepening their selves into subjects like we are into developing our skills on the bike. Our consept of what biking is, is a whole lot different from what Everyday Dave's is. Yet Dave in his own world belives that his everyday commuting on the bike makes him know of biking..

I learned a new thing from that BBC article. I didn't know that there was no foto coverage on the 4th plane that crashed. Every time a plave goes down we get to see the crash site on the news, why not this time? There are soo many things like this about 9/11 that makes them a no coincidence; Big things, small things, and every thing in between; Things that don't add up to the official story; Vails have been wraped and lids have been put on; 3 of them 19 highjackers still alive, parachuted out; passport found a few blocks from WTC, unburned, while some bodies were so burnt/mashed and couldn't be identified (or maybe even found).

There's a big psychological step in this. Huuuuuuge. To go from a belief of living in a mildly corrupt system to that there are great power in your country that have let this happen and are covering up their involvment. To let go of everything you've belived in, from day one, and the security it constitutes... It's not an easy thing, taking the red pill.

I don't know if I can make you see what I see. Maybe I didn't give a good enough picture. But I tried.

 

[JohnE]

Didn't read the article, dont plan to...
But if no plane crashed in Shanksville, where are the people who boarded that flight? If no plane crashed into the Pentagon, where are the people (and the AC) from that flight?

 

[Dartman]

Didn't read the article, dont plan to...
But if no plane crashed in Shanksville, where are the people who boarded that flight? If no plane crashed into the Pentagon, where are the people (and the AC) from that flight?

Area 51 of course.

 

[$tinkle]

I learned a new thing from that BBC article. I didn't know that there was no foto coverage on the 4th plane that crashed. Every time a plave goes down we get to see the crash site on the news, why not this time?

found some "footage" (more like accident scene coverage)

, but keep in mind, this plane wasn't attempting to make a gentle landing at stall speed w/ the hopes of survival; this plane was augured in around 400 knots at an extreme angle. for comparison, you can find w/ little effort various commercial crash footage over the years when planes fly in heavy fog in mtn regions. it's just an inkblot w/ maybe a sheared engine found far flung.

i seem to recall some footage (plumes of smoke) of flight 93 (4th plane) shortly after the crash. i'm only good for 30 seconds of research, & i used it all up on the first link.

 

[Toshi]

Didn't read the article, dont plan to...
But if no plane crashed in Shanksville, where are the people who boarded that flight? If no plane crashed into the Pentagon, where are the people (and the AC) from that flight?

if you go into this with the premise that the responsible parties wouldn't care if thousands of people would die, what would stop them from simply shooting and summarily disposing of the dozens to which you refer?

 

[Changleen]

Area 51 of course.

Or, the bottom of the ocean.

Further to what Toshi said, if we presume this was planned, disposing of the passengers becomes secondary. You already plan to kill everyone in the twin towers and, presumably have already thought about your next targets Afghanistan and Iraq where you're going to kill hundreds of thousands of brown people and all the troops it takes to get the job done.

In fact since Iraq was clearly in anyone's reality a war of choice we can plainly see our leaders were quite happy to plan to sacrifice our troops for their purely political and self interested ends. Killing a few thousand of your own people is really a drop in the ocean once you've made that decision.

 

[Changleen]

Having said all that I don't think it's that likely the planes were 'disappeared', it's just too much trouble. You have to dispose of them somehow and smashing them into the ground / a highly reinforced building seems like a great way to do that. The Pentagon one is the only shady one, based on the wreckage/hole size 'problems' and the sheer difficulty and exact placement of the maneuver, but that doesn't mean it was impossible with forward planning.

The things that really stick out for me as out of place are: WTC7 collapse, the dancing Jews, the missing gold + the lorry, the largely unreported explosions at WTC1+2 and their freefall collapses, and the failure of the normal fighter intercept in all 4 hijack cases. Oh and the treatment of all the wreckage and the share stuff.

 

[$tinkle]

Having said all that I don't think it's that likely the planes were 'disappeared', it's just too much trouble. You have to dispose of them somehow and smashing them into the ground / a highly reinforced building seems like a great way to do that. The Pentagon one is the only shady one, based on the wreckage/hole size 'problems' and the sheer difficulty and exact placement of the maneuver, but that doesn't mean it was impossible with forward planning.

The things that really stick out for me as out of place are: WTC7 collapse, the dancing Jews, the missing gold + the lorry, the largely unreported explosions at WTC1+2 and their freefall collapses, and the failure of the normal fighter intercept in all 4 hijack cases. Oh and the treatment of all the wreckage and the share stuff.

somebody on u2b collected some snippets of the bbc's report:

seems like the beeb strayed from the truthers on this one.
well done lads.

 

[Kihaji]

It's funny that the same people who claim this government is filled with the dumbest people on the face of the earth, are also the same people who pulled off the most complex conspiracy ever.

 

[N8 v2.0]

It's funny that the same people who claim this government is filled with the dumbest people on the face of the earth, are also the same people who pulled off the most complex conspiracy ever.

yes that is quite amusing but they are also the ones that believe that man is causing global warming... .

 

[Secret Squirrel]

yes that is quite amusing but they are also the ones that believe that man is causing global warming... .

With all the hot air you pump out, it'd be safe to venture a guess that you are the sole cause...

 

[Changleen]

...most complex conspiracy ever.

Really?

 

[rockwool]

It's funny that the same people who claim this government is filled with the dumbest people on the face of the earth, are also the same people who pulled off the most complex conspiracy ever.

It's amazing how you haven't realized that some people are fronts while the smart guys work in the background.

 

[rockwool]

Didn't read the article, dont plan to...
But if no plane crashed in Shanksville, where are the people who boarded that flight? If no plane crashed into the Pentagon, where are the people (and the AC) from that flight?

They're dead, that I can bet my left testicle on.

 

[$tinkle]

Really?

he didn't mean "ever"; he meant "to date".

but i see your point: "the jews did it" isn't very complex.

 

[rockwool]

found some "footage" (more like accident scene coverage)

, but keep in mind, this plane wasn't attempting to make a gentle landing at stall speed w/ the hopes of survival; this plane was augured in around 400 knots at an extreme angle. for comparison, you can find w/ little effort various commercial crash footage over the years when planes fly in heavy fog in mtn regions. it's just an inkblot w/ maybe a sheared engine found far flung.

i seem to recall some footage (plumes of smoke) of flight 93 (4th plane) shortly after the crash. i'm only good for 30 seconds of research, & i used it all up on the first link.

Didn't look much of a regular plane crash site to me. But the pics weren't the best. I have allways thought it was shot down so that it wouldn't hit the White House. According to a witness of the wreckage of Pan Am flight 103 he said "nowhere have I seen any wreckage more than about 3feet long". Looked a bit like that actually.

Check diz out:
Ex-CIA Analyst Ray McGovern Talks About 9/11 Truth

Contained some, for me, new info.

And here's some for all you who doubt the manipulative wickedness of media:

 

[Secret Squirrel]

yes that is quite amusing but they are also the ones that believe that man is causing global warming...

With all the hot air you pump out, it'd be safe to venture a guess that you are the sole cause...

Oh c'mon....not even a tertiary "har" after four and a half hours........damn you people....I'm wasted here I tell ya...

 

[rockwool]

Squirrel, you punched him hard and all his air went out. You've stoped global warming and saved the world. :champ:

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Squirrel, you punched him hard and all his air went out. You've stoped global warming and saved the world. :champ:

Thanks....but the luke warm patronizations just make it worse. It *was* funny....damn it.

 

[$tinkle]

Didn't look much of a regular plane crash site to me. But the pics weren't the best. I have allways thought it was shot down so that it wouldn't hit the White House. According to a witness of the wreckage of Pan Am flight 103 he said "nowhere have I seen any wreckage more than about 3feet long". Looked a bit like that actually.

uhhh...you do know flight 103 exploded 30,000 ft in the air & its subsequent wreckage spread over 2 km, ja? (full details here)

i dare say you've made my case a bit stronger. i'd like to think you fell for a clever trap of mine, but that would be overreaching on my part.

oh, your first video is no longer available

 

[fluff]

Really?

Don't tell me... the moon landings?

 

[Changleen]

Don't tell me... the moon landings?

Does your GPS work?

 

[rockwool]

uhhh...you do know flight 103 exploded 30,000 ft in the air & its subsequent wreckage spread over 2 km, ja? (full details here)

i dare say you've made my case a bit stronger. i'd like to think you fell for a clever trap of mine, but that would be overreaching on my part.

oh, your first video is no longer available

I know, but that only means it got spread over a larger area, not that the pieces got smaller because of the altitude. There should be at least some large chunks of Boing lying around.

Your case still has to proove where three of them highjackers jumped ship.

Musta bust for a moment, it's working now.

 

[Changleen]

uhhh...you do know flight 103 exploded 30,000 ft in the air & its subsequent wreckage spread over 2 km, ja? (full details here)

i dare say you've made my case a bit stronger. i'd like to think you fell for a clever trap of mine, but that would be overreaching on my part.

oh, your first video is no longer available

Linky no worky...

If it exploded in the air, that contradicts the official version, non?

 

[$tinkle]

Linky no worky...

hmmm...

If it exploded in the air, that contradicts the official version, non?

define "it" and "official version"; i'm not tracking w/ you.

 

[Changleen]

Never mind. I thought you were on about U93.

 

[N8 v2.0]

U995

http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/uboats/typviic/image1.html

 

[DaveW]

Gerble burble berble

STFU!

 

[MikeD]

It'd be so much easier to kill hundreds of Americans in secret and build special incendiary attack planes or launch cruise missiles instead of just crashing the planes into the buildings with the passengers on them...

There's a great article that I've posted before: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

And the ever-popular (mechanics) one here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

I say this every time...I could buy it if you thought that there was someone else behind the hijackers...I'd still think you're wrong, but I'd think we were on the same planet...but nothing other than planes crashing into the buildings is even worth considering.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

But...but....but Mike!!! It was a Tom Cruise missle that destroyed the world...


*the only reason for this post was cause of the ad on the right hand side and the fact that you said cruise missle...*