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Behavior Profiling is Bad.

Echo

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Jul 10, 2002
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ALEXIS_DH said:
in the US after sept 11 i got stopped, asked, and checked for metals. and its quite obvious. thats hardly random. its gets annoying.
Dude seriously. I travel quite a bit. I'm about as white as they come. And I've been stopped, searched, had my luggage searched, been asked for ID, all that crap EVERY time I've flown somewhere after 9/11. When I took my bike to Bootleg, they had it out of the box and were rubbing it down for gunpowder traces. When I flew to Whistler, they had me in Immigration playing 20 questions about why I was there. Did I bitch that my civil liberties were violated? Hell no. It's part of flying these days. I guarantee you the crap I've been through, without ever complaining, is 100 times worse than what happened to this ACLU whiner.
 

Skookum

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Jul 26, 2002
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Echo said:
Dude I know you're not stupid. So think for a minute. What's this dude's job? The ACLU's national coordinator for racial profiling. Read that back again.
exactly read it back again. Your statement of it being entrapment is based on conjecture. Most of your opinions on the matter derive from it. To me it's not so much that racial profiling is wrong, to me it's more important to say it's flawed. Certainly if that's the best we're doing in security, hiring minimum wage scrubs to go hassle minorities, i personally don't feel safer from it.

Echo said:
I didn't say anything about the government, or the war on terror. I didn't say anything about any borders. I didn't say anything about feeling safer.
So you wish to make a point by being seperated from the topic somehow, i don't get it....

Echo said:
All I said was, the dude got asked for his ID by airport security. While in the airport. If he had produced his ID, there would have been no problem. What the hell is the big deal about being asked for ID, especially in an airport? Any sane intelligent person is going to politely show their ID and be on their merry way.
Yah when you get your ticket, when you go thru the gate/security checkpoint, and when you hop in line for your flight. Not when your sittin on the phone. You're obviously not an expert when it comes to racial profiling, this guy is, it would appear to me the courts will ultimately decide.

Echo said:
But then you get this moron who, as soon as airport security asks him for ID, starts yelling "This is a OUTRAGE!! Look here everyone, these white boys is racial profilin' my ass. Y'all saw it right?! Go git CNN! Call the president! This is a OUTRAGE!!"
Did he say that, was the security guy white? i didn't read that... Did this really make a huge splash on the news? i didn't see it on the front page of any of our local papers....

Echo said:
What is the big freaking deal if a cop wants to see your ID in the airport? I can't believe you people have nothing better to whine about.
hmm.... maybe because on the slippery slope of civil liberties we at least want to get kissed before we get ****ed. i just don't think many Americans are as trusting regardless of party, for a myriad of reasons. In fact i believe it to be quite American to not trust your government but challenge them.

Echo said:
Dude seriously. I travel quite a bit. I'm about as white as they come. And I've been stopped, searched, had my luggage searched, been asked for ID, all that crap EVERY time I've flown somewhere after 9/11. When I took my bike to Bootleg, they had it out of the box and were rubbing it down for gunpowder traces. When I flew to Whistler, they had me in Immigration playing 20 questions about why I was there. Did I bitch that my civil liberties were violated? Hell no. It's part of flying these days. I guarantee you the crap I've been through, without ever complaining, is 100 times worse than what happened to this ACLU whiner.
You bring up some valid points in this post, i'm curious though were all of your searches done in "typical" checkpoints? i mean were you reading a magazine in the can when they drug you out for an id check? i've never been randomly checked or seen anyone randomly checked personally myself. i've always been checked or searched in places i stated above.

And totally separate from this debate, who's really whining here.

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