hey who all sells the bmw race link frame? i was hoping to get it a little cheaper than $3300.
i thought go-ride.com used to carry them, i guess not anymore.
i thought go-ride.com used to carry them, i guess not anymore.
I agree. Everytime I read about about someone posting their *new* used BMW's it seems they've just come back from the factory after a full rebuild with new hardware and even repainting.Thats a bold claim...
because they last,so people get new bearings,etc installed and get a fresh paint job so they get the new bike feel.Personally do it myself,but I have the right tools.I agree. Everytime I read about about someone posting their *new* used BMW's it seems they've just come back from the factory after a full rebuild with new hardware and even repainting.
why? I had 24x3" on my play bike and I liked it, kinda like a big BMX bike. My race bike has 26 thoughwe've moved on from that phase for a reason...
Clean out your pm box por favor.lol...ok send me a pic
i used to ride a balfa bb7 with a monster, sold it like 2 summers ago and now i'm dreading to have a new bike...and i am soo getting an avy fork 24" 26" wheels with 3" tires...old school baby, oh yeah
atleast ithat seems oldschool now???
^^^ what he said. My friend has racelink #42 (or is it #43?) Its at least 5 years old, has been ridden very thoroughly, and still rides as good if not better than a lot of the new bikes I've ridden.because they last,so people get new bearings,etc installed and get a fresh paint job so they get the new bike feel.Personally do it myself,but I have the right tools.
Steel Vs Ally.
Like my Turner. Gosh, it's not some magical property of steel. If a bike is overbuilt and/or well-designed either material can last a long long time.^^^ what he said. My friend has racelink #42 (or is it #43?) Its at least 5 years old, has been ridden very thoroughly, and still rides as good if not better than a lot of the new bikes I've ridden.
My friend also still has his Dirtwork DH rig in decent condition and its over 5 years old. Its not overbuilt either. He raced it hard for 3-4 seasons with numerous top 5/podium finishes [in expert class]...Like my Turner. Gosh, it's not some magical property of steel. If a bike is overbuilt and/or well-designed either material can last a long long time.
Steel has a higher resistance to fatigue than aluminium. Your turner is far lighter than a Racelink. You do the math. Turners are one of the strongest aluminium frames and you don't hear much about them failing,but tested under the same circumstances,I think it's safe to say a BMW will out last a Turner.The Turner is a lightweight race bike. One of the lightest even.The fact it has less travel and a less bump compliant design is also something to concider.Like my Turner. Gosh, it's not some magical property of steel. If a bike is overbuilt and/or well-designed either material can last a long long time.
He doesn't have a modern DHR - some of the older revisions were overbuilt and heavy before Turner brought more use-specific models into their lineup.Steel has a higher resistance to fatigue than aluminium. Your turner is far lighter than a Racelink. You do the math. Turners are one of the strongest aluminium frames and you don't hear much about them failing,but tested under the same circumstances,I think it's safe to say a BMW will out last a Turner.The Turner is a lightweight race bike. One of the lightest even.The fact it has less travel and a less bump compliant design is also something to concider.
I don't even have the older ('02) DHR anymore. Though that old 12+ lb beast would count in this discussion I was actually talking about my '01 RFX outlasting and outperfoming most bikes out there today.He doesn't have a modern DHR - some of the older revisions were overbuilt and heavy before Turner brought more use-specific models into their lineup.
I never mentioned anything at all about the DHR and I won't argue the fatigue properties of the materials. It just irks me how every BMW rider thinks that steel is magically indestructible and no aluminum bike could ever last more than 1-2 years when it's simply not the case. The devil is in the details and the designer's goals are what really count. Both materials can last was my simple point.Steel has a higher resistance to fatigue than aluminium. Your turner is far lighter than a Racelink. You do the math. Turners are one of the strongest aluminium frames and you don't hear much about them failing,but tested under the same circumstances,I think it's safe to say a BMW will out last a Turner.The Turner is a lightweight race bike. One of the lightest even.The fact it has less travel and a less bump compliant design is also something to concider.
Best use of that icon so far!Now, do you want to discuss my bushings vs. your bearings? j/k
Steel has a higher resistance to fatigue than aluminium. Your turner is far lighter than a Racelink. You do the math. Turners are one of the strongest aluminium frames and you don't hear much about them failing,but tested under the same circumstances,I think it's safe to say a BMW will out last a Turner.The Turner is a lightweight race bike. One of the lightest even.The fact it has less travel and a less bump compliant design is also something to concider.
i've seen the mainframes bend, kink, etc.....i never said the turner would outlast a bmw, you don't need to put words in my mouth......but it's strength to weight to cost ratio is far superior.....for 12 years now and I have seen one BMW fail in that time and that was a park bike. A tuner DHR is a great bike but there is no way on gods green earth it will out last a BMW. BMWs are made to be beat on not really raced. A DHR being stronger then a BMW? Son that argument is pure weak sauce.
22lbs? Um, no. Try 12.9 w/o the jackshaft and cranks and about 16-17 with the full frame kit. As for you claiming to have seen main frames "bend kink etc" that might be true for the first 14 Race Links, but beyond that, I highly, highly doubt it. Hell, then only ones I know of with broken front triangles fell of lifts 50+ feet in the air. Doc cut out the bent tubes and put in new ones. And better engineering? I'm sorry, but the bike was so far ahead of it's time that it wasn't even funny. Like jonKranked said, the bike is getting close to a decade old and is still comparable to bikes being built now. And honestly, the Race Link's suspension is quite possibly the best I've felt, period. Doc did his math right, and made one of the most well designed frames that this sport has ever seen. It's not without its shortcomings, like the geometry, which is partially why I'm selling mine.i've seen the mainframes bend, kink, etc.....i never said the turner would outlast a bmw, you don't need to put words in my mouth......but it's strength to weight to cost ratio is far superior.....
all i'm trying to say is that for $3300 and 22 pounds i would expect better engineering than, "well lets use steel, thicker tubes, and put gussets everywhere we can instead of thinking this through and designing the frame properly"....just because a bike is overbuilt doesn't mean it's strong, that's all....
The racelink is almost 10 years old? I remember when that came out, pretty sure I was still at the shop and passed on it to buy one of the last '02 DHR's in 2002. Maybe I'm wrong?And better engineering? I'm sorry, but the bike was so far ahead of it's time that it wasn't even funny. Like jonKranked said, the bike is getting close to a decade old and is still comparable to bikes being built now. And honestly, the Race Link's suspension is quite possibly the best I've felt, period. Doc did his math right, and made one of the most well designed frames that this sport has ever seen. It's not without its shortcomings, like the geometry, which is partially why I'm selling mine.
Yeah, I actually have. If my RL doesn't sell, I will have a new linkage made up for it. Been thinking about doing that for as long as I had the bike, haha.c.o.d51 Have you thought about getting a slightly different dog bone link made to drop the BB height? Ideally you'd also get the swingarm shortened a touch,as by dropping the BB the swingarm would lengthen slightly(not nessacerily a bad thing),you could make the cut in front of the lower shock mount and get an insert put in for strength where you'd make the join. Or move the top shock mount.Lots of easy and not very expensive ways to drop the BB height and therefore slacken the head angle also. You could also mod the other link possibly,to get less travel,lower BB and less leverage ratio on the shock(not that it needs it). Just some ideas,I've been toying with.The Linkage site won't work on my Mac to work it all out.
The Race Link is more like 7 years old, but it's getting closer to a decade, I should have been more specific. I would still call the Race Link ahead of its time though, even if it's suspension is borrowed from the MX world. The BMW's suspension works so darn well you would think other people would copy it too.Bulldog said:The racelink is almost 10 years old? I remember when that came out, pretty sure I was still at the shop and passed on it to buy one of the last '02 DHR's in 2002. Maybe I'm wrong?
And as for the "math" in suspension, how could borrowing a real engineers MX linkage to use on a bicycle really be treated as a ground-up, ahead-of-its-time design? Clever, yes, but borrowing technology from MX is what this sport is all about!
Lastly, the DHR has been around in the same basic form since 1999 so it too is nearly a decade old. It just hasn't been left to fall behind the times. You'd think something 100% handbuilt in-house would actually be able to stay with or ahead of the times better that something built in a factory, no?
7 years on the market. From my understanding it was in development for nearly 2 years prior to that. So from inception till now that's about 9 years if Mr Math is working properlyThe Race Link is more like 7 years old
i believe sverre's bike was hovering around 40 lbs. the rl's aren't tanks by any means, though many owners tend to build them up as such.
doc's current dh ride has the same configuration of the old rl, but weighs ~38lbs. definitely stoked to see what the new big bike looks like.
what's suspect on that bike? i don't really see anything that wouldn't be wc worthy. regardless, it's a several year old design, low production boutique bike. denigrating it in comparison to current production race frames seems pointless. those that love them, love them allot. and if you don't get the attraction, no worries; there's lots of other great bikes out there. bikes (to some, anyways) are more than the sum of their specs & cost / weight ratios. my old tmx was great case in point. the frameset weighed ~20lbs (which i tried to offset non-cost effectively with a bunch of light bits & a heap of ti bolts), was expensive even as a used frame, and had outdated geometry. it was still one of my favorite bikes ever, and i have fonder memories of it than some of my more modern, lighter & faster hardware *sheds tear*. i love how bikes, the inanimate chunks of hardware they are, can instill that passion, and that's a subjective thing. no need for quantitative rationalization.i'll take my 10 pound frame and DOWNHILL parts over an overbuilt frame with road and xc/trailbike parts...i would mangle everything on that bike
wow...usually I have quite a bit of respect for your input. Normally I feel like you're an asset to this board...but I too fail to see what doesn't belong on that bike. Maybe the saddle is skinny, and yeah the road cluster and dérailleur, but those are pretty common on DH bikes now...plus it's made of metal, so I fail to see any weakness. Seatpost and stem are thomson, one of the best. Fork is skinny, but saying the boxxer isn't a proven design is quite foolish...profile cranks, regular platforms...maybe the rims? I can't tell what kind they are but they don't look too bad to me....saint brakes...come again? Are you bashing this bike because of some personal vendetta? did one run over and kick your dog?i'll take my 10 pound frame and DOWNHILL parts over an overbuilt frame with road and xc/trailbike parts...i would mangle everything on that bike(save the frame and cranks) in 1 run...my bike weighs about that much, but didn't cost an arm and a leg....plus everything i have spec'd is proporionate in terms of strength:weight:costerformance.......
Sure, your welded in taiwan sunday or mass-produced turner costs less, but these are boutique bikes.
fair enough...i agree that several years ago the brooklyn mafia was all about monster T's and 24" tires...hater.....