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Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by MMike, Dec 27, 2007.
I guess you knew it had to happen.....
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helluva way to go out...id rather be blown up then shot in the neck
So who did it? Islamic militants, who had vowed to do it ever since she stepped foot back inside the country? Musharraf, who probably has the most to gain by eliminating his main rival, declaring martial law and postponing elections (again)? Combination of the two?
Does anyone think that she was a bit passive with her own security? Or was she just very brave/comfortable around the people? Either way, the assassination is saddening.
Sad... wasn't she a beacon of peace? I didn't follow that story much
At least a beason "towards" a modicum of fairness.......
That's only 8 steps in the wrong direction
Not a beacon, but she did have a lot of support in Pakistan.
She was also incredibly corrupt...but that's another story.
I watched this interview when it was aired and was really surprised by it. She seemed like that cliche person that you see in films or on TV that has the combination of convictions and stubbornness that endangers themselves as well as the others around them.
"bacon of peace" - heh.
she lasted a lot longer than i had expected, what with all the misogyny ingrained in that region.
she'll be missed here. much respect.
I can't believe it. It's definitely right out of a movie. Mushareef is our lapdog, so the CIA probably had to shut her down. The people loved her, unfortunately she didn't have a strong international ally.
But then again maybe a deranged person just go a lucky shot in past her security without any extra intelligence.
Sounds like she got a bit of both, shot in the neck and body and then the assassin blew himself up. Sad day for the Pakistani people. I guess Musharraf will continue to be the leader
How odd, shots and a suicide bomber. The bomber was just a distraction. That woman has led the muslim world for years without any problems and now all of a sudden she falls victim to the most average source of violence (the common suicide bomber) in the country that she led- I don't think so. The problem is that the only agencies with the technology to test the quality of explosives and arsenal used are probably behind the assasination. Now Musharaf can "heal" shocked nation without the threat of her rallying the people and regaining power.
Am I the only one thinking this stuff??
Yeah, seems to me that cruising around hanging out your sunroof is a little irresponsible for someone of that stature.
Hard not to see it coming....
One can easily buy into the conspiracy theory.
Sometimes the simplest answers are the correct ones.
I think it would serve US interests to keep her alive as a moderating and secularizing influence, in the face of an ever-escalating tension between competing forms of Islamic and secular tyranny, so I doubt that it was any kind of CIA-backed thing.
As far as reports on exactly how it happened, I'm waiting a few days before I start believing anything. The "shots" may well turn out to be spalling or shrapnel.
She was the first democratically elected female leader in the muslim world (twice). As mentioned, she had more than a few swiss bank accounts she allegedly funneled money into. She may not have been a beacon of peace, but she certainly was a beacon of modernity.
Good CS Monitor article.
Its hard for me to not think Musharraf was behind it, she was a challenge to his authority. I don't know how popular the other presidential candidate is, but it seems like Musharraf is eliminating the political opposition.
i'm more the thought that people who did it may not necessarily be warm to musharraf, yet quite cool to bhutto.
combine her desire to secularize pakistan w/ her "excessive" femininity & you have a perfectly justifiable target of opportunity.
I think that's a poor analysis. Musharraf would be better off killing some of the radical Islamists...and Bhutto's party will have another candidate to run in her stead, who will now have even greater support among moderates, pulling people away from both Musharraf and the radicals.
Now, the ISI...that's another story...
Well, when do we invade Pakistan, now? Assassinated leaders, a hard line dictator imposing his will on a country, harboring known terrorist, holding WMD....that was all we needed to invade Iraq, why not Pakistan?
Cheney's got to be behind this somehow...
Seriously, damn shame, it seems she was well liked and respected. So she was corrupt..like any of our so-called leaders aren't????
Yeah, but who's behind Musharraf??
You guys have some points on the obvious, but I don't understand why they didn't kill her earlier. It's just too coincidental for me. Think of the consequences of an unstable Pakistan not friendly with the US.
Maybe the problem was that she wasn't corrupt enough or in bed with the right people. The super rich of the world have a code of their own and guys like me will never know it or need to worry about it. But it's out there.
It wasn't for lack of trying...
Muslims are lazy. They end up wearing their pajamas all day.
I hope Hillary took note of this. People hate that b*tch.
Like you would kick her out of bed!
I would after I violated all of her orifices.
Yeah was wondering about them.
No one really seems to have much conrtol over the ISI, they seem to act as a law unto themselves a hell of a lot of the time as far as I can tell.
It might just be me but I don't thing there are any "good guys" in Pakistani politics.
There is not a single one of them from all that I have seen and read that would not cause me quite a bit of alarm if they were running in local politics.
I didnt read the link...how did the suicide bomber fare?
I'd take the "seem to" out of that sentence.
And while there aren't any good guys, I think Bhutto would have been a powerful force for change (and her party will continue to be, with her martyrdom on the masthead) in the vaguely correct direction. It's true that she was awfully corrupt, but you have to take what you can get...
He went to pieces.
Yep, he was really torn up over the whole thing....
But he was a suicide bomber! He.....ooohhhhhhhhhhh....I get it.....
I don't know anything outside of what I've read in the U.S. press. I said that becuase she had a good shot at beating him in an election, so she posed a threat to his power. He's holding elections under pressure from the U.S., but its been obvious for a while now that he will do whatever it takes to limit the competition so he wins. I think all of the arrests, and replacing the supreme court judges so they would rule in his favor, is evidence of this.
But he could simply have kept her from coming to the country in the first place. I suppose, however, you could say he let her in just to have this happen with some sort of deniability...but I don't see that as likely.
He probably wanted to put it in the "Bhutto" if you know what Im saying. She wadn't bad for an older bird.
Damn....you're just on fire tonight......