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Sandro

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I believe the main manufacturing for the Pfizer and Moderna is happening in the States (currently), no? That's gotta help with that particular statistic... a lot.
The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany by Biontech, who have their own plant and there is a large Pfizer plant for EU vaccine production in Belgium, so proximity isn't really the issue. What the US certainly got right contrary to the EU, was ordering enough vaccine early on from various manufacturers and securing enough doses. Besides the logistical and organizational problems there just isn't enough vaccine to go around in Europe currently and my state has completely halted all vaccinations until February. Yay.

The EU was too cautious with their orders and took longer to certify the vaccines. In additiotion, they tried to please individual member states, which resulted in them ordering more of the French made Sanofi vaccine than the Pfizer/Biontech one, in spite of that one being much further along in testing and certification.
 

Pesqueeb

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I suspect that story is just the first in what's bound to he a long line of "it's even worse than we thought" news stories to come about the Trump administration.

Sensationalist? Perhaps, but I don't think that should undercut the absolute wall of incompetence or just outright obstruction that the Biden team is liable to be up against. Should they be aware that it was coming? Absolutely. What's going to be newsworthy in the coming days and may continue to be a surprise, is just how much worse it is than even the most pessimistic among us may have assumed.
 

Westy

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I suspect that story is just the first in what's bound to he a long line of "it's even worse than we thought" news stories to come about the Trump administration.

Sensationalist? Perhaps, but I don't think that should undercut the absolute wall of incompetence or just outright obstruction that the Biden team is liable to be up against. Should they be aware that it was coming? Absolutely. What's going to be newsworthy in the coming days and may continue to be a surprise, is just how much worse it is than even the most pessimistic among us may have assumed.

There should have been communication prior to inauguration and I hope this was well known and simply not announced for the sake of respecting the old administration still being in power.

Perhaps not worth respecting but it would be nice to see a return to the civility that tradition brings.
 

Toshi

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Didn't I hear 100 million in 100 days somewhere? May be unreasonably optimistic... but we could use some of that right now, methinks.
We're averaging something like 900k per day as it is so not optimistic at all.
 

6thElement

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We're averaging something like 900k per day as it is so not optimistic at all.
*As long as you've got enough on order with the various suppliers and they can meet their promised demand whilst also trying to supply the rest of the world too.
 

Full Trucker

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*As long as you've got enough on order with the various suppliers and they can meet their promised demand whilst also trying to supply the rest of the world too.
Right? It's not rocket surgery.

It's supply chain management, logistics planning, and forecasting. If only there were people in the world who's job it was to do that for global companies. Or something.

Apparently Samsung shipped like ~72 million phones in Q1 of 2019... and those little bastards had to be manufactured using parts from a bunch of different suppliers, had a number of SKUs, and were sent out globally. Just saying... let's get that guy on it.

;)
 
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Nick

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Right? It's not rocket surgery.

It's supply chain management, logistics planning, and forecasting. If only there were people in the world who's job it was to do that for global companies. Or something.

Apparently Samsung shipped like ~72 million phones in Q1 of 2019... and those little bastards had to be manufactured using parts from a bunch of different suppliers, had a number of SKUs, and were sent out globally. Just saying... let's get that guy on it.

;)
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Full Trucker

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Seems this could easily be spun by detractors that the Biden admin is going to be "soft" on Russia, and that the Trump admin was playing harder ball by seeking to negotiate the inclusion of additional types of weapons. Following the link to the WaPo article linked in the Politico one maybe gives a bit more insight into the strategy:


Seems like there's a lot going on, it could be easy to critique the Biden admin for "not doing enough" and just "bending to what Russia wants" on extending this treaty. Not knowing the full story, obviously, but it seems reasonable to accept the extension at the full 5 years (which Russia was already willing to do), take care of other stuff closer to home, and revisit. Are we missing an opportunity to get tough on Russia? Or bring China into this treaty to de-nuke? Or somehow keep some leverage by only agreeing to a year or two?

There have to be benefits to "just renewing it" as well as "renewing it for a shorter time" and trying to renegotiate. But there was a deadline... couple of weeks from now I think? Would at the very least negotiating for a shorter renewal term have even been possible? Mayhaps yes, mayhaps no. Maybe the Ruskies are Putin on their hardball pants and sayin' "this is the deal we'll sign, take it or leave it" in true Trump Art of the Deal fashion.

Another plausible scenario: the Trump admin "tries to negotiate" with Russia on the extension of this treaty, get nowhere, and conveniently let it slide for the rest of 2020. If Trump is back in office, pick it back up (maybe) and if he's out, it's pretty easy to pass the buck onto the Biden admin and point the finger of "not being tough enough" on Russia when they knew damn well they wouldn't have time to negotiate anything else. Then Donny gets to brag about how he's "the toughest on Russia, no one is tougher on Russia than me" and the Republicans have something to hold over the Democrat's snowflake heads from the onset.

I don't even think this is in the same timezone as conspiracy theory, this is just playing Euchre in college using the Screw the Dealer rules. And no, I don't think Donny is capable of this kinda smarts, but it's certainly the kind of long game that McConnell would dream up. Probably.
 
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SkaredShtles

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Apparently Samsung shipped like ~72 million phones in Q1 of 2019... and those little bastards had to be manufactured using parts from a bunch of different suppliers, had a number of SKUs, and were sent out globally. Just saying... let's get that guy on it.
WTF? He/she's probably a furriner. Why don't we appoint... oh, I don't know... maybe the POTUS's 2nd cousin to that spot?
 

Westy

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Right? It's not rocket surgery.

It's supply chain management, logistics planning, and forecasting. If only there were people in the world who's job it was to do that for global companies. Or something.

Apparently Samsung shipped like ~72 million phones in Q1 of 2019... and those little bastards had to be manufactured using parts from a bunch of different suppliers, had a number of SKUs, and were sent out globally. Just saying... let's get that guy on it.

;)
And it took years
Right? It's not rocket surgery.

It's supply chain management, logistics planning, and forecasting. If only there were people in the world who's job it was to do that for global companies. Or something.

Apparently Samsung shipped like ~72 million phones in Q1 of 2019... and those little bastards had to be manufactured using parts from a bunch of different suppliers, had a number of SKUs, and were sent out globally. Just saying... let's get that guy on it.

;)

I know you were being sarcastic but inject-able pharmaceuticals are a lot harder to make than a cell phone. If you fuck up making a cell phone you can usually test the product and find the defect. And if you don't you get a sad customer with a warranty. Once you seal something in a sterile vial you can pretty much only look at it. Fuck that up and the best case scenario is someone gets a vaccine that doesn't work, worst case scenario is you kill them. So you can't test the product to see if it is good, you can only ensure a quality product by process control. Imagine having to play a song on a guitar perfectly, but you aren't allowed to hear the music you make.

It takes years to build a new manufacturing line, and it can take years to qualify a manufacturing line. I assume this was all done with existing facilities, and I am guessing there weren't a lot of spare pharmaceutical plants just lying around. I find it rather astonishing that multiple manufacturers were able to get something to market so fast, not just in developing the vaccine but standing up large scale manufacturing in such a short period of time.
 

Full Trucker

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And it took years



I know you were being sarcastic but inject-able pharmaceuticals are a lot harder to make than a cell phone. If you fuck up making a cell phone you can usually test the product and find the defect. And if you don't you get a sad customer with a warranty. Once you seal something in a sterile vial you can pretty much only look at it. Fuck that up and the best case scenario is someone gets a vaccine that doesn't work, worst case scenario is you kill them. So you can't test the product to see if it is good, you can only ensure a quality product by process control. Imagine having to play a song on a guitar perfectly, but you aren't allowed to hear the music you make.

It takes years to build a new manufacturing line, and it can take years to qualify a manufacturing line. I assume this was all done with existing facilities, and I am guessing there weren't a lot of spare pharmaceutical plants just lying around. I find it rather astonishing that multiple manufacturers were able to get something to market so fast, not just in developing the vaccine but standing up large scale manufacturing in such a short period of time.
All absolutely good points. And yes, I was mostly being sarcastic with my example. Cell phones and pharmaceuticals could not be more different from a manufacturing perspective. I guess the high-level point is that there are people that know this stuff. It seems to me as a layperson, the failure was in not leveraging these people or coordinating them at a high-level to achieve the distribution goals.
 

Westy

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All absolutely good points. And yes, I was mostly being sarcastic with my example. Cell phones and pharmaceuticals could not be more different from a manufacturing perspective. I guess the high-level point is that there are people that know this stuff. It seems to me as a layperson, the failure was in not leveraging these people or coordinating them at a high-level to achieve the distribution goals.

The previous administration were the greatest logistics experts in the world, the best.

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Westy

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And to be clear, when I said the failure was "not leveraging these people or coordinating them at a high-level to achieve the distribution goals" what I really mean is "not having a plan" in the first place. Friggin' towel tossers.

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jonKranked

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And it took years



I know you were being sarcastic but inject-able pharmaceuticals are a lot harder to make than a cell phone. If you fuck up making a cell phone you can usually test the product and find the defect. And if you don't you get a sad customer with a warranty. Once you seal something in a sterile vial you can pretty much only look at it. Fuck that up and the best case scenario is someone gets a vaccine that doesn't work, worst case scenario is you kill them. So you can't test the product to see if it is good, you can only ensure a quality product by process control. Imagine having to play a song on a guitar perfectly, but you aren't allowed to hear the music you make.

It takes years to build a new manufacturing line, and it can take years to qualify a manufacturing line. I assume this was all done with existing facilities, and I am guessing there weren't a lot of spare pharmaceutical plants just lying around. I find it rather astonishing that multiple manufacturers were able to get something to market so fast, not just in developing the vaccine but standing up large scale manufacturing in such a short period of time.
other factors:

specialty storage conditions required for ingredients.
if something gets messed up during vaccine production, you don't just lose a few units, you lose the whole batch.

the manufacturing was likely being done at risk in parallel with trials to build a stockpile set for release as soon as clearance is granted

the gov't also threw a lot of money at companies to fund the rapid R&D
 

mandown

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So, a non-Biden friend just posted this on the old FB. The numbers are fairly close to accurate, based on some quick google searching, though the interest rate and gas prices are a tad off.

The Post:
I am making this post so it will show back up as a future memory on my timeline:
Today is 1 day until the Biden/Harris Inauguration. Gas is currently $2.15 per gallon. Interest rates are 2.25 percent for a 30 year mortgage. The stock market closed at 30829.40 though we have been fighting COVID for 11 months. Our GDP growth for the 3rd Qtr was 33.1 percent. We had the best economy ever until COVID and it is recovering well. We have not had any new wars or conflicts in the last 4 years. North Korea has been under control and has not been testing any missiles. ISIS has not been heard from for over 3 years. The housing market is the strongest it has been in years. Homes have appreciated at an unbelievable rate and sell well. And let’s not forget that peace deals in the Middle East were signed by 4 countries—unprecedented! Also Unemployment sits at 6.7% in spite of COVID. Biden takes over on 1-20-21. Copied from a Friend.
So, i had responded to this FB post, just to see where it would go (I couldn't help myself). I pointed out that the 2.25% rate on a 30 year was a low number. Sure enough, someone jumped in with "i'm a banker and you can get 2.25% if you pay points and and and (lists other conditions)..." Okay, so you can shop rates and pay points to get the rate down, but that doesn't change what the national going rate is.
 

kidwoo

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So, i had responded to this FB post, just to see where it would go (I couldn't help myself). I pointed out that the 2.25% rate on a 30 year was a low number. Sure enough, someone jumped in with "i'm a banker and you can get 2.25% if you pay points and and and (lists other conditions)..." Okay, so you can shop rates and pay points to get the rate down, but that doesn't change what the national going rate is.

I mean really, the proper response was.....


 

Full Trucker

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Dear Marjorie,

Despite what Brian is hearing, the Republicans in the Senate who looked into the whole Hunter/Ukraine thing didn't find anything. Do you have new evidence? If not, then...



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Brian HCM#1

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That's two doses per person, so 50 million people in 100 days.
I think SS is correct from what I understand. Biden wants to get 100M vaccinated within the first 100 days. That's all fine & dandy, but what happens when dose #2 is needed? Will Pfizer & Moderna be able produce enough in time to meet the recommended 2nd dose timeline? I heard it doesn't have to be the exact "28" days between vaccines, but what if it extends to 60 days? Will that compromise its effectiveness?
 

Nick

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I think SS is correct from what I understand. Biden wants to get 100M vaccinated within the first 100 days. That's all fine & dandy, but what happens when dose #2 is needed? Will Pfizer & Moderna be able produce enough in time to meet the recommended 2nd dose timeline? I heard it doesn't have to be the exact "28" days between vaccines, but what if it extends to 60 days? Will that compromise its effectiveness?
I have good news for you! Fortunately, since operation warp speed started (checks notes) over 8 months ago, all of those details have been worked out and a well thought-out, national plan is in place.
 

Brian HCM#1

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I also am sort of trying to have that insight, yeah. And to be honest, the whole "OMG Biden's team was shocked to learn blah blah blah" in that Tweet is just a headline, it's just a media hook. Shock and awe. Given Biden's appointees and actions so far, I would not be surprised to learn that the incoming team also anticipated that there was no strategy (or at least any strategy or plan in place wasn't going to be sufficient to meet the aggressive distribution goals Biden was squawking about) in place and started working on it "from scratch" if you will. At least, I would hope that's the case. We'll see. Are there quantifiable goals that have been laid out? Like... what's the metric we're gonna try and hit? It seems we fell rather short of the previous administration's goals of "20 million vaccinated against coronavirus by the end of the year" but is there a new goal?

If I were to give advice to the incoming administration it's this: be transparent. With everything. Own the fuck ups. Celebrate the wins. Make sure if the plan or goal needs to change because new shit comes to light, scream it from the rooftops. And tell why. Detractors will always detract, that's what they do. And with the vaccinations, maybe don't say X number of people vaccinated by X date until you know what the actual logistics are, because there are many.
Production is production, the last admiration left distribution to the state government to determine who gets what & when. Its up to the states to deliver once they have the vaccine in hand. There is (was) a surplus of doses here which will most likely go bad before they are given because of the on going pissing match.