I don't get the whole 'Let's shave that last bit off my road bike' thing. Face it if you've built your roadie using the usual suspects and spent wisely on good gear. You get. Grouppo - DA, Record (Gee even ultegra or chorus) Bars - prima 199's, Milleniums etc Seatpost - thomson (duh) gratuitous 200g ti rail saddle Wheels - ksyrium, shimano upper end, Hugis on open pros Onto most any frame out there you end up with a 7kg (14.5lb) bike no sweat. Which when you face it is substantially light and still durable. So why, is there a need to shave the next couple of grams off. Its not like you'll really gain anything but w@nk factor. Sure you can go full ti cassettes, carbon cranks, carbon brakes et al but really is there that much performance to be had. It's not like you're going form a MTB with 1 inch slicks to a roadie and losing 5lbs, and most of us come nowhere near pro level. I guess it is all the cost per weight gain thing too. Is 2 ounces worth 200 bucks? And just for the record my Klein Quantum weighs 7.2kg.