meanwhile, back in colorado: way to go obama, another job lost
e: i was being all lollerz, but...ummm...http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/05/failed-osama-hunter-wants-bounty-not-killing-bin-laden/37315/
I had forgotten about that guy.
meanwhile, back in colorado: way to go obama, another job lost
e: i was being all lollerz, but...ummm...http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/05/failed-osama-hunter-wants-bounty-not-killing-bin-laden/37315/
Rumsfeld confirms, "enhanced interrogation" did not produce the intel:I'm less concerned about the morality of actions as I'm a bit more of a "ends justify the means" kind of guy. It's been noted that it appears that "enhanced interrogation" techniques probably didn't lead to the killing, but of course that's not going to stop the Republicans claiming it did.
I just wish that we could have a rational conversation about a) whether it works and b) whether it's legal. I don't see that happening *anytime* soon though...
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osamabinladen/2011/05/02/id/394820
Asked if harsh interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay played a role in obtaining intelligence on bin Ladens whereabouts, Rumsfeld declares: First of all, no one was waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay. Thats a myth thats been perpetrated around the country by critics.
The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.
so i should believe the angel of death when he says waterboarding never happened at gitmo?Rumsfeld confirms, "enhanced interrogation" did not produce the intel:
syadasti said its not true. isnt that proof enough?so i should believe the angel of death when he says waterboarding never happened at gitmo?
leon says, "hold on, girl!"Rumsfeld confirms, "enhanced interrogation" did not produce the intel:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/torturous-evasions/We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees, he told NBC anchor Brian Williams.
When asked by Williams if water-boarding was part of the enhanced interrogation techniques, Panetta simply said thats correct.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/books/blog/2011/05/martin_luther_king_fake_quotef.html"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
--Martin Luther King, Jr.
Martin Luther King fake quote/faked Osama death
nothing like fake quotes going around the internets"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
--Martin Luther King, Jr.
this help?i haven't seen a recent org chart, but maybe cia isn't under dod?
this kinda helpsi haven't seen a recent org chart, but maybe cia isn't under dod?
So a supposition that a subset of a subset which had EIT which includes waterboarding (multitiple sources, some of some) - the language is so clear, and his assumption is better than Rumsfelds direct assertion (funny how I8Rice can't read who said what?)leon says, "hold on, girl!"
http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/torturous-evasions/“We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation… clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees,” he told NBC anchor Brian Williams.
When asked by Williams if water-boarding was part of the “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Panetta simply said “that’s correct.”
“Multiple detainees have given us insights into networks of people who might have been close to Bin Laden. And beyond detainee reporting, solid information derived from other sources over many years ultimately helped solve an incredibly complex puzzle,” Vietor says. “The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003. So this argument just doesn’t make a lot of sense.”
and mary was a technical virgin?syadasti said its not true. isnt that proof enough?
Is that a chick who's never used a vibrator?and mary was a technical virgin?
but has slept in a manger with a donkey and had 3 wisemen visit her...Is that a chick who's never used a vibrator?
i like where this is goingbut has slept in a manger with a donkey and had 3 wisemen visit her...
Its the thought that counts you clowns...sheesh. How about this from MLK.nothing like fake quotes going around the internets
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/
putting a famous person's name to a mashup of a quote just makes it sound dumb.Since when did this place become grade 10 English class?
500 ml of vagisil stat!Its the thought that counts you clowns...sheesh. How about this from MLK.
"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction."
--Martin Luther King Jr., Christmas 1957.
Since when did this place become grade 10 English class?
You must be new. Welcome to Ridemonkey.Since when did this place become grade 10 English class?
im sure the Pakistani military/government would have warned the rest of the terrorist after they heard a gunfightDo you guys think we should have waited to announce his death? We prolly could have rounded up a few more bad guys from the data on the computers if they knew Osama wasn't dead.
I'd kind of wondered about that myself. Cause you know every motherfvcker in the al-Qaida system grabbed their shi* and split the second they heard the news. How many other a-holes could they have nailed if they sat on the news for a week? Though I guess they'd of heard about it when somebody went to the compound and found the blood smeared all over the floor.Do you guys think we should have waited to announce his death? We prolly could have rounded up a few more bad guys from the data on the computers if they knew Osama wasn't dead.
They would have had time to replace the word "Geronimo" with something a little more PC...I'd kind of wondered about that myself. Cause you know every motherfvcker in the al-Qaida system grabbed their shi* and split the second they heard the news. How many other a-holes could they have nailed if they sat on the news for a week?
Probably not so much quieter, as the blade tips would still be travelling at the same velocity, but more like to reduce the RCS with all the spinning metal bits at the tail rotor hub.there is also a "dish" covering the non-conventional tail rotor, smoothed out panels and purported main rotor mods to slow them down and make them quieter.
we be sneaking up on you with our stealthz
Its not the source of his wisdom, but the spirit behind it...i find it odd mlk can be quoted all day long without even a whiff of offense, neverminding that the bible was his primary source of wisdom
carry on...
it looks like it clipped a wall coming in to land..or got shot down and crashed on the wallI've only actually read one news report on this and there was no mention of the heli, how come it went down?
Damn straight. Thats what "dead or alive" means. Take the fvcker out however you want.OBL was unarmed? Murdered in cold blood.
...or possibly using more rotors to reduce noise?Probably not so much quieter, as the blade tips would still be travelling at the same velocity, but more like to reduce the RCS with all the spinning metal bits at the tail rotor hub.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/awx/2011/05/03/awx_05_03_2011_p0-318248.xml&headline=Bin Laden Raid May Have Exposed Stealth HelicopterNoise can be reduced and made less conspicuous by adding blades to the main and tail rotors. It can also be reduced by aerodynamic modifications and flight control changes that make it possible to reduce rotor rpm, particularly in forward flight below maximum speed. Infrared reduction measures are crucial - the Comanche had an elaborate system of exhaust ducts and fresh-air ejectors in its tailboom.
Radar cross-section (RCS) reduction measures include flattened and canted body sides, making landing gear and other features retractable, and adding fairings over the rotor hubs. It usually is not possible to achieve the same - you can’t make a helo as radar-stealthy as a fixed-wing airplane, but helicopters generally operate at low altitude in ground clutter. Reducing RCS also makes jamming more effective, whether from the aircraft itself or from a standoff jammer.
I heard there wasnt enough available air within the walls of the compound to support the needs of the helo to hover and lift. MMike? What say you?I've only actually read one news report on this and there was no mention of the heli, how come it went down?