[jonKranked]

If the Jackshaft output sprocket and the idler are the same size sprocket or at least same hight chain possition in relation to the suspension pivot,then they'll perform the same. If they're different then they'll have different effects on the suspension and pedals. I think XY9ine was just genralising and not actually comparing the Racelink to a Sloperanger on a highly acurate level,his statement is correct in theory,but perhaps not entirellty true in relation to both bikes. You could get the same result from an idler as a jackshaft .
The idler will limit pedal kickback and suspension lockout a huge amount no matter even if it's not exactly at the pivot.
The Jackshaft or idler do not totally eliminate chain forces on the suspension and vica versa,the amount of feed back all depends on sprocket size front and rear.
Both designs will still suply more active suspension and less pedal feedback than most other types of suspension set ups.

I understand what you mean but I was referring more specifically to the difference in chain growth. The idler will have more because it has 3 gears, essentially creating a triangle. The distance between the chainring and the idler is fixed, and the distance between the idler and the cassette is fixed. However, the distance between the cassette and the chainring is not fixed; as the bike moves through its travel this distance increases (chain growth). A jackshaft still has 3 gears, but they are not all routed to a single chain.

 

[no skid marks]

Yeah but it's all slack chain(not under tension) that's taken up by the deraileur. The slack chain has no effect on the supension.

 

[jonKranked]

Yeah but it's all slack chain(not under tension) that's taken up by the deraileur. The slack chain has no effect on the supension.

This is true. But at the end of the day ya still need to remember to add a few extry links of chain in

 

[DHS]

Plus now i can't run the bike single speed. and i hate the feel of chain growth. i got so use to not having it on the racelink. why would i want it now?

plus, with it being a hole/spindle all the way through the main pivot. what a waste. you could say a **** load of weight just having a idler pully wheel. not that whole gear setup.

 

[DHS]

how about some tech on the new bike?
bump

also how many countless hours of CAD work does a 30lbs track bike really need? i road one around, the fork is solid steel. its not hollow.

i don't mean to sound like i'm ripping on brooklyn. but ever since Chris left. i'm ashamed of riding my bike. no improvements anywhere. i've seen and ridden the new racelink that can take a regular shock, but its still bloody heavy. you still use 4130. i love steel. but there's better options out there. OX or 853, are just as strong and a ton lighter.

 

[DhUrbaner]

you've never ridden the race link with a regular shock!

 

[jonKranked]

you've never ridden the race link with a regular shock!

?

how about some tech on the new bike?
bump

also how many countless hours of CAD work does a 30lbs track bike really need? i road one around, the fork is solid steel. its not hollow.

i don't mean to sound like i'm ripping on brooklyn. but ever since Chris left. i'm ashamed of riding my bike. no improvements anywhere. i've seen and ridden the new racelink that can take a regular shock, but its still bloody heavy. you still use 4130. i love steel. but there's better options out there. OX or 853, are just as strong and a ton lighter.

http://hooked-on-phonics.com/

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

9x3 w/ remote is not normal anymore and hasn't been for years.

 

[DHS]

regular shock. as in not only a avy, but a 9.5x3 shock.

 

[BROOKLYN1]

The dumb ass that got caught twice. This time with the Brooklyn Hitman that Doc made. it will soon be back in Doc's hands while cuffs are on Mr. Dumb Ass's. Except for a bad green paint job and bull horn bar ends the bike was in tact.

 

[no skid marks]

Well that's some good news.Any other BMWs found also thanks to this fool?

 

[BROOKLYN1]

he was seen two weeks earlier with the Super Trucker. so with the pressure of doing time, maybe it and the TMX and Project X will surface?

 

[tmx]

FYI: Doc's Hitman is NOT in tact in the above pictures.

The changes made to it should serve to link Nelson to two more unrecovered bikes. The stem (and possibly handlebars) is taken off the Spooky, the seatpost is off Maya's TMX. Manhattan DA and the Bklyn Dt should be made aware of this to further connect Nelson to the grand theft larson case and hopefully lead to the recovery of the TMX, the Spooky and the Supertrucker.

I'm tremendously grateful to the folks who acted fast and swift to get this slimey nugget in cuffs and the bike back to Doc. I'll be in NY next week and will tend to proper gratitude in person then.

 

[sikocycles]

I may have to put bar ends on mine. I love that look.

 

[DHS]

I may have to put bar ends on mine. I love that look.

i will have to personally kick you out of the club

 

[sikocycles]

Too late I just added my purple control tech bar ends on.

 

[Huck Banzai]

Awesome news that Hitman #2 has been recovered! Hope remains alive!

Filthy thieves!

 

[seismic]

Awesome to hear that the Hitman is back in the stable.

 

[Sverre]

Unbeleavable good news! Hope the other bikes shows up too

 

[DhUrbaner]

Be sure to thank Joe at Brooklyn Machine Works

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

does anyone in the US have a brooklyn saddle they will part with?

joel


email me:
joel_cmyk@hotmail.com

 

[ChrisRobin]

Just a free bump for you guys... I'm tired of seeing Sunday and "can clipping your toe nails save weight?"-type threads.

 

[no skid marks]

This is not an SR6.

By no_skid_marks

 

[bullcrew]

Just a free bump for you guys... I'm tired of seeing Sunday and "can clipping your toe nails save weight?"-type threads.

You have to file them Chris, its more aero dynamic! But only on Saturday!
Theres been limited threads lately with any real/new stuff....

 

[Sandwich]

Photos of the newer, updated RLWC on superco website...looks nice, is the pivot higher?

Secondly, I'm thinking of buying a new fork for my bike. Right now I'm on an Avy DHFHK with 8" of travel. I'd like to pick up a single crown fork to make the bike a little more jumping and MTX friendly. Clearly I'm no DH racer nor dual slalom queen, but a nice light front end ought to make the bike a little more playful for NE Style or Alpine. Thoughts on a 06 Fox 36 VanR? There's a cheap one ($400) nearby. Should I hold out for a 66 with a little more travel? I'd like to keep the steering the same, but dropping a pound or three would be great.

 

[no skid marks]

I think geometry(steering) is more important than travel in the case of 36 Vs 66. 66 are taller I believe by a fair bit. You have a Racelink from memory,why not ditch the heavy 24s your running. Single crowns will not give you the confidence of the triples due to flex,asthetics,and geo.A Fox 40 or something lighter would be better IMO.
The RLWC on the Superco site is Docs personal bike,he made whilst at BMW.There's nothing to say Superco will make it(or the contrary). I'm sure Superco will do a full suspension bike eventually,but I wouldn't be making any guesses just yet as to what it is. Terry will spill the beans as soon as she can when Superco make a full susser I'm sure. Can't wait.

 

[Sandwich]

I'm keeping the 24s for MTX specifically. Nobody will want that stuff used and I have a ton of tires. I'm building 26s as my standard DH wheelset, then I'd like to keep the 24s and singlecrown mostly to play with on slopestyle courses.

Sorry, yeah, I know the 66 is taller, will it give me much better geometry?

 

[pancho64]

Photos of the newer, updated RLWC on superco website...looks nice, is the pivot higher?

where? i dont see it

 

[Sandwich]

http://www.ridesuperco.com/2008/landscape/wcrl.jpg

WCRL, my bad.

 

[pancho64]

wow thats so hot.

 

[Shortbus]

Gosh i still remember the chills i got when lifting that bike off the ground =) feather weight WCRL

'Hey isn't this supposed to weigh more???'

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

some of this wording is funny, especially about the constant NY refrences and slams against "the competition"

thankfully i can let all that slide since they carefully stayed away from mentioning the "competition" in Utah.

http://www.clifcat.com/battleaxe.htm

Ride Superco!

Joel

 

[no skid marks]

It'll get 160ss Kowas when the triples go back on my big bike,but for now it's main duty will be DH.

 

[Tonycalves]

Like New!

 

[seismic]

Old school !!! Super nice !!!

 

[seismic]

The HM had a few upgrades:

Straitline brake levers
Funn Handlebar
DT Swiss 5,1 rims (still going strong)
Straitline pedals
2,35 Intense tires

 

[Bulldog]

The HM had a few upgrades:

Wow. I like the layout of the HM. What's the HA and BB height on that beast? It doesn't look as tall/steep as the RL? MTN-8 or MTN-10 fork? (the 10 would complete my ultimate huck-tastic fantasy bike )

And with a bike that mean what do you need brakes for?! Grip it and rip it! Any video of it in action?

 

[Sandwich]

I think it's actually shorter and steeper than the RL, as far as I know. I was real close to picking one up in order to get a longer, slacker bike, but all the info I could find suggested it was pointed more towards pure FR and less DH.

Regardless that's a very nice looking bike. Any action shots?

 

[seismic]

Unfortunately no action shots. I have to admit that I dont know if it is steeper or slacker than the RL, but it is right that it is more of a big hit machine than the RL - and less of a racer I guess. The machine sacks a lot and I am happy that the cranks are not longer than they are......they often go very close to the ground.

If it looks slack it might be because of the massive MTN-8.

 

[xy9ine]

that's such a badass bike, seismic. just love how compact that frame is. it'd be such a monster with modern dh geo. any idea what the frame / build weighs?