If womanizing, drinking beer and eating hotdogs was Barry's training regimen, I'd be happy about it. The Babe and Hammerin' Hank were pure baseball players.antimony said:
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I approve!MisterClean said:
That absolutly RULES!!!!!Jeremy R said:I don't see what all the fuss is about. I have his rookie card here and he just filled out a little, that's all.
Baseball is still recognized as a "sport"? 
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Well Tiger did have lasik, so he is sub par.the Inbred said:
I would care if Bonds would have done it drunk the way The Babe did it.
that is yet to be determined. we will have to wait a few more years to deterine that one.the Inbred said:
I'm going to wait to see MLB official word on this. I personally think that the juice didn't help Barry that much, and that he is a great player regardless. He's a great all-around player and that should never be taken away from him IMO. But I'll leave the * talk to the professionals.
Also, I've hit 95+ MPH fastballs if that validates my opinion.
Also, I've hit 95+ MPH fastballs if that validates my opinion.
Can smoke all he wants now....http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Football/2006/05/29/1603503-sun.htmlLordOpie said:
I can smoke a 99 MPH fastball...chicodude said:
...on MLB2K6. Easy stuff.
The entire 90's and up to this year need a big *.
They are all cheating it seems. It's like cycling I suppose.
It's the NFL's bizarre attempt to mold good citizens. Which is strange tho, cuz apparently, it's still ok to hit women, sell drugs, and be involved in a conspiracy to commit murder.stevew said:
Just don't smoke weed or mouth off.
Yup, I hope some of those games are on TV, so I can see an NFL player go up against college kids.jdcamb said:
But he needs to stop so my Dolphins can bring him back for a year, showcase him, and trade him off
On a different tangent, anyone here recall the Sosa corked-bat hooha?? The mentioning of Bonds still needing to put bat to ball at just the right contact point to hit a homer, whether on juice or not, reminds me of an ESPN "Did You Know", where it was said that a corked bat adds 1% to the total distance of a homer. And Sosa is at, what, 588 homers/5th all time? No, Bonds did not break any records, unless saying he's the "best left-handed homerun hitter" is a record. Just pitch to Bonds and see if his knee holds up, or his hand/eye coordination has weakened.
Yep, and that might just be the worst part, because nobody will ever know what he was really capable of.Sherpa said:
I hope that keeps him up at night, thinking that maybe he could have achieved great things without his achievement being tarnished by steroid abuse.
I'm looking forward to seeing someone legitimately break 61 HR's in a season. That's still the record IMO.
Anyone who doesn't think steroids have seriously helped jack up Barry's numbers has their head in their ass.
Anyone who doesn't think steroids have seriously helped jack up Barry's numbers has their head in their ass.
BTW, the best thing that can happen to baseball and Bud "Asshole" Selig will be for someone to break the 73 HR mark. So, go Albert Pujols! 
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Stated perfectly!
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Here's my take on all this...
I'm waiting until the end of the season to decide if he was roiding or not... but it certainly seems like it at this point. His productivity has dropped soooo much this year that I can't put it all on the knee.
Yes, doping up won't make you hit the ball any better, but if you already hit the ball well, it will make the ball travel farther - and that's the benefit that Bonds got from the drugs.
Regardless, I think he's a hell of an athlete and a great baseball player. A hall-of-famer before the drugs, now a hall-of-famer with a footnote, imo.
The bottom line though is that he's now in SECOND place all time - not first. While it is an amazing accomplishment (drugs or no drugs), it's not first, thus it doesn't deserve anywhere near the media attention it's gotten. I'm glad MLB didn't celebrate.
Now, with all that said... I do think Barry gets the short end of the stick the majority of the time, and in that regard, I do feel bad for him - even if he as brought it on himself much of the time.
I'm waiting until the end of the season to decide if he was roiding or not... but it certainly seems like it at this point. His productivity has dropped soooo much this year that I can't put it all on the knee.
Yes, doping up won't make you hit the ball any better, but if you already hit the ball well, it will make the ball travel farther - and that's the benefit that Bonds got from the drugs.
Regardless, I think he's a hell of an athlete and a great baseball player. A hall-of-famer before the drugs, now a hall-of-famer with a footnote, imo.
The bottom line though is that he's now in SECOND place all time - not first. While it is an amazing accomplishment (drugs or no drugs), it's not first, thus it doesn't deserve anywhere near the media attention it's gotten. I'm glad MLB didn't celebrate.
Now, with all that said... I do think Barry gets the short end of the stick the majority of the time, and in that regard, I do feel bad for him - even if he as brought it on himself much of the time.
for the amount of Money he is Paid, I don't !jacksonpt said:
He got another one last night, number 25 I think ... a 3 run shot in the 7th that ended up being the game winner.I Are Baboon said:BTW, the best thing that can happen to baseball and Bud "Asshole" Selig will be for someone to break the 73 HR mark. So, go Albert Pujols!
Unfortunately, I think pitchers will get smart very soon and stop pitching to him. The guy is a KILLER.DNA said:
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I think it's super cool that things like that actually matter. I am not very well versed in baseball, but really appreciate the strategy that most people don't notice.DNA said:
Yeah, Barry Bonds really didn't have much of anyone hitting behind him the last six years ago, except for maybe Jeff Kent for a while there.DNA said:
With the reputation he has built for himself, no one wants to be behind, in front, or even around him.I Are Baboon said:
I hadn't watched much baseball until a year and a half or so ago when Jenn got me watching it and was patient in explaining things to me when I had questions. Since then, I've found a lot of the strategy extremely interesting. Like a first baseman is typically better when they're left-handed, since they don't have to turn to throw the ball towards the infield. Never would have occured to me.loco said:
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hmm - never thought of that, but not turning to throw would speed things up.binary visions said:
They can also cover more infield ground since their glove is naturally further into the infield, as opposed to a righty who has to turn to field a fair ball. Plus a lefty makes it easier to pick off a possible base stealer.binary visions said:
I never understood why there are not any lefty catchers. I can see why there are not in little leagues and such, since most of the hitters are right handed, but in the pros it seems to be about half and half.I Are Baboon said:
I'm no baseball nut, but I'll say this. Babe Ruth was a lardass and still hit as many as he did... Roids are all over the place in that sport now. Look at the muscles on todays players. Go back in time, pay ruth 250k per game put him on a weights program like bonds with roid supplements, then we'd have a fair comparison.
I'm with whoever said "he broke nothing". They should have 2 records, Pre anabolic and post anibolic records.
I'm with whoever said "he broke nothing". They should have 2 records, Pre anabolic and post anibolic records.
Joe Theismann says Ricky Williams is a disgrace.LordOpie said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2463035
@ Thiesmann. What a chode.
Bah, I don't know about that. I'm sure that is exactly what Selig and all the baseball pundits would love to see happen to deflect the serious issues that the game has and continues to ignore.I Are Baboon said:BTW, the best thing that can happen to baseball and Bud "Asshole" Selig will be for someone to break the 73 HR mark. So, go Albert Pujols!
On a side tangent, despite the nostalgic ball and stick in the alley feel that most people like to think about when it comes to baseball, the truth of the matter is that it isn't the most honerable of sports and since its inception, players and managers have cheated and bent the rules in whichever way it suits them to gain an edge (arguably moreso now since players contracts can be worth tens of millions :cough: steriods :cough
....wait after typing that, now I think I know why it's "America' Pastime"
Interesting article:gsweet said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hruby/060512
I'm curious how each of the players (Ruth + Bonds) would fare in the others time? I'm sure pitching has changed a lot in the 70ish years since Ruth retired. The rules were different back then too with what would be considered a homer...
It'd be retarded to have a * for second place. If he hits 756 then I'm not quite so sure. Does Maris have a * for hitting one more home run than Ruth in a season that was 8 games longer? Should he?
Discuss.
I think these kinds of comparisons are inane. Even beyond all the illegal drugs, athletes today are much stronger and better shape due to nutrition, workouts, and medical treatments.SilentJ said:
For example, Jack Lambert, middle linebacker for the Steelers in the 70's, weighed 200lbs. Dave DeBusschere, power forward for the Knicks in the 60-70's, was 6'5". Would players with this size exist in the pros today?
Possibly, if they were on modern training regimines...