BOOOOOO E-BIKES
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From https://www.pinkbike.com/news/new-commencal-meta-power-bosch.html
"HILL HOLD
The Hill Hold function prevents the bike from rolling backwards in Smart Walk Assistance mode. "
I wonder if once brakes go electronic will it will be a matter of time before we start getting climb and decent assist modes and traction control on bikes.
"HILL HOLD
The Hill Hold function prevents the bike from rolling backwards in Smart Walk Assistance mode. "
I wonder if once brakes go electronic will it will be a matter of time before we start getting climb and decent assist modes and traction control on bikes.
Having a Commencal ebike...Yeah, not quite sure that "hill hold" is really necessary. That's like having a Tesla automagically rolling down the window a tiny bit when you open the door for "air pressure". Do you really need that? How have we ever evolved as a species with out this?!?!
I never use my "walk assist mode" it's kinda unusable because it is so slow. You end up having to shift to a really small cog, so it actually can walk with you. And of course you were in the biggest cog, cuz big techy climb. Maybe Bosch is better than Shimano?
Speaking of, interesting to see Commencal is switching to Bosch. My buddy has a Bosch on his Trek. It is pretty good. Can't tell if it's better. Just a little different. And I liked it.
Just send the bike out to ride for you, no need to get sunscreen or worry about bugs.
It simply turns the motor at a set speed. So yeah. The only way to control the speed is through gearing. It's set slow so folk don't use it as a throttle in higher gears.
No bosch isn't any better. The only folk I've ever met who use it are the same folk who struggle to lift their bike over fences/gates. So yeah. Probably useful If you're old, weak or have a disability. or maybe have a laden cargo bike. But not so much for the likes of you or me out mountainbiking. I have a feeling "hill hold" is aimed at a similar demographic. Anyone even vaguely experienced at biking would simply use their rear brake.
And. No. Bosch isn't really any more useful. Possibly even less so depending on the controller used.
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Ridiculous technical climbing challenges are fun on ebikes, and sometimes you end up walking. Most of the time we just push, but there are times when walk mode (shimano) is pretty useful, like steep and loose pitches where traction is so limited you can barely walk, let alone push a 55 lb. bike.
I've climbed long, technical sections (like Blue Grouse clockwise at Golden Gate) on my Shuttle that I could do in short bits on a regular bike but couldn't string together but for going straight anaerobic. But, yes, there's no individual move that's possible only with e-assist. It's not like it's an electric trials moto.
Fair point, but it makes those thing possible for the majority of people that don’t possess that kind of insane fitness to clean entire sections. I can only say that for me, it has allowed me to climb things that I never, ever could have before. Or have ever seen or heard of other people climbing under their own power.
But sure, there are guys out there who theoretically could.
But sure, there are guys out there who theoretically could.
hmm. Let us ride Mountain Lion + a Blue Grouse loop next time you're out and compare notes.
Or maybe I just don't completely suck on a normal bike.
Are there sections of those that would be considered very difficult on the ebike (uphill?)hmm. Let us ride Mountain Lion + a Blue Grouse loop next time you're out and compare notes.
I can’t think of one on the Mt. Lion uphill.
I enjoy the challenge of making it up a properly tricky climb and if it takes a many attempts once completed I'm perfectly happy to never even try it again. I wouldn't actually get anywhere near the same sense of achievement using an Ebike to tick off the challenge.
I also enjoy attempting climbs, technical trails and tricky sections on quite inapropriate bikes. eg. enduro routes and XC rides on a dirt jump/pumptrack hardtail or riding my roadbike with 25mm slicks off road. or 40 miles of road on a BMX.
I think you'll find we have most of the soils.
I also enjoy attempting climbs, technical trails and tricky sections on quite inapropriate bikes. eg. enduro routes and XC rides on a dirt jump/pumptrack hardtail or riding my roadbike with 25mm slicks off road. or 40 miles of road on a BMX.
I think you'll find we have most of the soils.
I agree. I'm a pretty solid technical climber and there are definitely portions of trails I'd never clear on a regular bike that I can clean on an e-bike. Fitness is definitely part of it but not the whole story.
Yeah, I have spent 40 years doing exactly that. Repeatedly, over and over, sometimes getting it, sometimes not, sometimes never. But on the ebike? It’s not about a ‘sense of accomplishment’ or any nonsense, it’s just fucking fun blasting up shit that I otherwise can’t.
But I still greatly prefer my 30 pound pedal bike overall. E has its times and places.
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Blue Grouse, this
there’s one shale right hand switchback up Mountain Lion that I think is hard. I clean it most of the time but it’s on the edge. Last one before the final push to the into the trees section up top is also challenging
I think for me, it was more of a 'hey I paid for this feature, so might as well use it'. Then it was 'well that sucks'.
The two times I have used the self propel mode was (and this is for Colorado guys)
1) Dakota Ridge. The newer, south end trail. I haven't ridden there in years. This trail was new to me. Plus it was my first time on the eeb and wanted to try the self propel mode. Meh.
2) Left Hand Canyon. We went up what was a super sweet down. I still don't know any of the trail names out there. So don't ask
I just know where to go. Probably the second ride on the eeb. Again, just wanted to try it out. Again - meh. That's when I was like I'll just push my 50+lb bike. Thanks.
Up here we do have a super techy, narrow and steep climb that we normally push our regular bikes up. I tried pedaling up the thing with the eeb and ended up high-siding down the hill into cactus due to a crank/pedal strike shooting me off the bike. Good times I'll clean it one of these days...
The two times I have used the self propel mode was (and this is for Colorado guys)
1) Dakota Ridge. The newer, south end trail. I haven't ridden there in years. This trail was new to me. Plus it was my first time on the eeb and wanted to try the self propel mode. Meh.
2) Left Hand Canyon. We went up what was a super sweet down. I still don't know any of the trail names out there. So don't ask
I just know where to go. Probably the second ride on the eeb. Again, just wanted to try it out. Again - meh. That's when I was like I'll just push my 50+lb bike. Thanks. Up here we do have a super techy, narrow and steep climb that we normally push our regular bikes up. I tried pedaling up the thing with the eeb and ended up high-siding down the hill into cactus due to a crank/pedal strike shooting me off the bike. Good times
I'll clean it one of these days...
you need proper steep hiking paths to utilize the walk optionHaving a Commencal ebike...Yeah, not quite sure that "hill hold" is really necessary. That's like having a Tesla automagically rolling down the window a tiny bit when you open the door for "air pressure". Do you really need that? How have we ever evolved as a species with out this?!?!
I never use my "walk assist mode" it's kinda unusable because it is so slow. You end up having to shift to a really small cog, so it actually can walk with you. And of course you were in the biggest cog, cuz big techy climb. Maybe Bosch is better than Shimano?
Speaking of, interesting to see Commencal is switching to Bosch. My buddy has a Bosch on his Trek. It is pretty good. Can't tell if it's better. Just a little different. And I liked it.
getting the bike to places i would never go without a motor, so more downhills.
—> relevant
—> relevant
Ps. Ebike climbing discussion in the DH forum ....
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108nm motor on my Rocky can tackle some ridiculously steep climbs I’ve never seen anyone attempt to pedal a meat bike up.
I use my emtb only for climbing and walk back down the hill using the Bosch walking assistant. This way I feel that I’ve earned the climb.
I have the same Rocky motor, it’s ridiculous. But still doesn’t roost.
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You have no idea the number of dirt roadies around here that will do the climb and walk down. On a normal bike. And it's not like it's hard. It's a freakin dirt road. It is steep. And there is plenty of singletrack to be had on the down so there are options. But yeah....I LOL'd at your comment
Amazing.
Bike companies:
“We’ve carefully analysed our existing bicycle structures, creating new standards and stronger componentry to last the rigours of Ebiking”
Bafang:
“We believe all bicycles should be turned into a 30mph claymore mine”
“We’ve carefully analysed our existing bicycle structures, creating new standards and stronger componentry to last the rigours of Ebiking”
Bafang:
“We believe all bicycles should be turned into a 30mph claymore mine”
Santa Cruz Superlight Electric Ebike - bicycles - by owner - bike sale
750watt Bafang Motor married to a classic full suspension Bike. Super fun riding dual sport electric bike. Around town or up the mountain. PAS and throttle. 48v x 17ah battery with charger. Custom...
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I don’t understand your message. Do you see this bike as a threat? To whom? I think this shed find bike looks the same as if my grandpa married a 20 year old chinese olympic hammerthrower and they had a child.Bike companies:
“We’ve carefully analysed our existing bicycle structures, creating new standards and stronger componentry to last the rigours of Ebiking”
Bafang:
“We believe all bicycles should be turned into a 30mph claymore mine”
Santa Cruz Superlight Electric Ebike - bicycles - by owner - bike sale
750watt Bafang Motor married to a classic full suspension Bike. Super fun riding dual sport electric bike. Around town or up the mountain. PAS and throttle. 48v x 17ah battery with charger. Custom...sfbay.craigslist.org
I just HAD to Google this.
Way too much to read, I like pictures and playboy....
Did we decide we hate e-bikes and we can lynch them??? Or are we taking mortgages and buying them???
Did we decide we hate e-bikes and we can lynch them??? Or are we taking mortgages and buying them???
I think the current consensus is that much like sleeping with a ‘generously proportioned’ gal, it’s all good under the cover of darkness.
LMAO..
Yep. I've seen them riding up ~30+% grades. Anything in the 20s starts taxing me pretty bad and there are climbs that I've never seen anyone riding up that they are doing. Maybe there is someone on earth that can do these on a "normal" bike, but that would be rare to exceptional. When the bike moves forward on flat without really supplying any pedaling force, yeah, it's going to be capable of climbing some monster stuff.
It is what it is, but it definitely translates to making it up stuff that is otherwise not rideable up.
I’m glad our lack of understanding goes both ways, as I have no idea what you’re trying to say. But the mental image is nice I guess?
My point is that full power mtbs tend to be heavier, with beefed up components, and a new emergence of standards for wider head tubes etc.
Meanwhile there are slews of Bafang (other after market motors are also available) motors attached to all kinds of sketchy bikes. The Santa Cruz super light with Bafang that I linked above is pretty good compared to some of the atrocious builds I’ve seen cobbled together. Irregardless, combining a 20 year old, lightweight alu bike, with 30lb of battery and a throttle seems like a great way to tear a bike apart.