Motors are definitely more refined these days but personally the poorer geometry of early Eebs was the only thing that held me back from getting one soooner than I did. If anything. With the *need* to have massive internal batteries versus external increased their weight. Ie. There's barely any full power sub 25kg 160-170mm bikes. And of what there are most cost a similar amount to a new small car. Whereas my old external battery E-Sommet is sub 22kg. And far more nimble because of it. I'd love a modern SL but they're just not worth their price.
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what the sl bikes need are modern cells. a tesla 4860 cell has about 100wh in a 46x80mm package at around 355g per cell. 5 of them could be build in a super slim, bit more than 40cm long housing in a sub 1.8kg weight 500wh battery. those would allow a downtube not wider than 50-55mm. these batteries are already buildable today if the bike industry could get them.
those internal ones need to be removable, makes the whole package heavier. but external is not out yet, there’s a new 800wh bosch powerpak soon.
odd no ones using them yet. Guessing cost would be a fair bit MOAR?
You're a bit behind the times on this one mate.
When the Orbea Rise rolled out 2 years ago, the batteries installed had a greater energy density than the Teslas (This was part of the marketing spiel given to us dealers about the all new product).
By now I expect many other manufacturers will be running them as well, or given the rate of change in the science possibly even more energy dense packs.
availability. all they make they consume themselves, but the were a few announcements from asian suppliers that also want to make cells in this formfactor
true, these cells are nothing revolutionary on energy density, but the form factor would allow better package in battery cases as there is less unused space inbetween cells. you would just stack 4-x cells in series, as long as your downtube allows, maximum usage of space
Good luck with your 14.8 v battery pack.
thats something the nerds need to solve. not me
For me and where I live I have both. We won't talk about the endurbro bike (non e), but I have a newish Trek with a tiny motor that is silent or moar silent than an RC car. Which the noise always kinda bothered me. In certain circumstances I do miss the power/torque, but woe is me.
Ebikes are not faster on the DH. IMO. In fact, I feel like I'm slower. But I'm getting old and just want to have fun. I'm not going to complain about getting out and enjoying the great outdoors, getting some vit D, checking out the hot hiker chicks. Maybe some adrenaline, which maybe the wife would like for testosterone (wink wink). Having a purpose to get together with the bros other than football games. It's all good too.
Ebikes are not faster on the DH. IMO. In fact, I feel like I'm slower. But I'm getting old and just want to have fun. I'm not going to complain about getting out and enjoying the great outdoors, getting some vit D, checking out the hot hiker chicks. Maybe some adrenaline, which maybe the wife would like for testosterone (wink wink). Having a purpose to get together with the bros other than football games. It's all good too.
Honestly never understood why anyone is bothered by an Ebike motor making some noise. Even the loudest motors are barely more noticeable than tyre noise. Also the noise is actually handy to guage what the motor is doing in the same way it is any motorised vehicle
E-bikes are not faster on pure DH, but a lot of times biiig rides have undulations, even if it seems like descending on paper. So if you have climbing in your ‘descents’, the ebike is probably gonna be faster…way faster.
Climbing in the descents is one of the things that make e-bikes so enticing. If it is a pure DH/shuttle, then I’m riding a regular bike.
I’m not going to say no to thousands of miles of trail just because they have climbs in the middle. That’s just dumb.
And yes, we do have thousands (upon thousands) of trails that undulate.
I’m not going to say no to thousands of miles of trail just because they have climbs in the middle. That’s just dumb.
And yes, we do have thousands (upon thousands) of trails that undulate.
Would ‘descents’ offend thee?
Well again, where I live, ebikes are not in favor. So the more stealth, the better. Even if they are legal. You don't want to disturb the bros. It's just better to pass them on the downs than on the ups.
Full disclosure, I have been passed on a steep climb by a bro. I was on the eeb. He regular bike. I'm like good on you bro. You must have had a big bowl of redbull. Then I passed him on the down. HA
Full disclosure, I have been passed on a steep climb by a bro. I was on the eeb. He regular bike. I'm like good on you bro. You must have had a big bowl of redbull. Then I passed him on the down. HA
I rode the hell out of Horsetooth on the ebike, so, so good being able to do three laps or four.
No one really seemed to care.
No one really seemed to care.
that’s why i‘m only on the descents in turbo, to keep up momentum whenever there is a slight uphill. 2 pedal strokes and go
lol
Better for what? Your own insecurity?
As I said earlier. Motor noise is actually helpful. Incase you didn't understand. It's helpful to aid traction. helpful to hear over run and it's taper. (especially if like Seth or you descend in turbo/boost) helpful to judge effort vs motor input. Helpful if you're trying to eek out as much battery as possible. Learn it! Use it! Better yourself!
seems like for north americans talking about their ebikes is the same as talking about their sex life. they are ebike prude
I agree to disagree
Like really, you need the sound of a motor to judge shit? Maybe you need to shut up. I prefer silence, so there's that. You may prefer sugary drinks to coffee. I did not make fun of you for that. Now get off my lawn!
Yeah, the struggle is real. Not gonna argue that.
When was this? And you were up here in the Fort and didn't contact me to ride?! Jerk store!
Yes. Really...I agree to disagree
Like really, you need the sound of a motor to judge shit?
"shit" being what said motor is doing.
FFS. Thinking is obviously hard.
Ebikes, fucking over the homeless again.
@jonKranked , if you didn’t have nightmares last, well here you go for tonight.
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isn‘t that from the same organisers as the bc bike race?
I would love to ride all of those trails, but to wait in long lines to eat, shower, sleep in tents, etc, yeah….no
I assume an e-MTB festival will include going door to door telling non e-bikers how awesome e-bikes are.
loudspeakers, powered by the battery
Is it possible to ride an e-bike without a bluetooth speaker in a backpack? I certainly haven't seen it.
I'm not gonna kink shame@jonKranked , if you didn’t have nightmares last, well here you go for tonight.
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