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6thElement

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looks to be some sort of masterplan to round them all up in a field somewhere to queue for food and seating keeping em all safely away from good trails.
isn‘t that from the same organisers as the bc bike race?
Queuing up or waiting for stuff and being blocked by joeys on the good sections of trail. Exactly like the BC Bike Race then.
 

Andeh

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I replaced my full power ebike with a mid power. It handles so much better and I was still able to do 4,600+ ft in 2 hours yesterday. As a parent, I seldom have more time than that to get out to ride, so not really missing the extra range.
 

Andeh

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Damn, that thing really doesn’t look like an e-bike. How much can you hear the motor?
It's pretty quiet, especially in the low and mid power settings. It sounds different than the Levo, which had a steady, clearly motor sound. The Fazua makes kind of a quiet whirr coupled with sort of a clicking noise - hard to describe. It's not nearly silent like the TQ in the Trek EXe, but it's pretty damn quiet. I've ridden with people who didn't realize it was an ebike.
 

toodles

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4,600+ ft in 2 hours yesterday
Lol thats quicker than uplifts half the time with the amount of faffing

I’m gonna call the first bike that is indistinguishable from its non-powered version ‘The Singularity’.
The fuel ex and exe come pretty close, but those Santa Cruz offerings are wild. Actually aside from the V10 and their gravel bike I pretty much can't tell any Santa Cruz bikes apart anymore without reading the decals.
 

Andeh

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Lol thats quicker than uplifts half the time with the amount of faffing
Yeah, I mean when I visit places that have shuttle vans, I'd rather just ride the ebike than dealing with reserving shuttle slots, being there at a certain time, smelling the stank of a van full of MTBers, trying not get sick from the driver's psychotic driving, etc. Yeah you actually use your legs a tiny bit, but it's not much. That said, it doesn't compare at all to riding chairlifts, but there's none within 4 hours of me so it's not much of an option.

fazua are good as long everything works, too bad they can‘t be bothered to release the damn range extender anytime soon. rumors are now early 2025. also needs a controller with buttons
Fucking Germans, I blame all their vacation time.

Having used a button controller and now the ring, I'm fine with either. The ring is really sensitive to not being overly tight on the bar, but I think I actually like the more tactile feel of it, and least for changing modes. I wish the display was an LCD, but I paired the motor with my Garmin to show battery %.
 

toodles

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Yeah, I mean when I visit places that have shuttle vans, I'd rather just ride the ebike than dealing with reserving shuttle slots, being there at a certain time, smelling the stank of a van full of MTBers, trying not get sick from the driver's psychotic driving, etc. Yeah you actually use your legs a tiny bit, but it's not much. That said, it doesn't compare at all to riding chairlifts, but there's none within 4 hours of me so it's not much of an option.
Oh yeah if its a mint chairlift day there's really no comparison but I've definitely done shuttle or uplift days that were such a fuck about or horrible racks/driving that an e-bike would be preferable.
 

Gary

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Aug 27, 2002
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fazua are good as long everything works, too bad they can‘t be bothered to release the damn range extender anytime soon. rumors are now early 2025. also needs a controller with buttons
Do you have a fazua Emtb?
One of my bikes is a Vitus Fazua based road/gravel ebike with fast rolling 47mm gravelking slicks and I really like it for doing the 40mile commute at an effort that allows me to arrive without being a sweaty mess at each end. The 250wh pack's range is plenty for that as any flat or descent I'm above the 15.5mph assistance cut out so the motor's only really being used to let me chill on the ups without it becoming hellishly slow. The oversized downtube honestly doesn't scream Ebike to look at either and rides almost as nicely as a normal bike with the battery and motor removed. I still have a normal roadbike and a couple of hardtails to cover anything I'd want to do on it with the motor removed so didn't bother buying the blanking plate. Otherwise I might have.
The 4 T30 BB mount bolts and BB itself wouldn't exactly fill me with confidence for proper mtb use. Honestly don't miss a bar mounted controller but I definitely would on an Emtb
 

SylentK

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So my lovely Commencal Eeb was in a car accident. Does anyone want/need a newish Shimano EP8? 600w battery, too. I can't say it'll work, It should, I haven't tested it. It's just sitting collecting dust. Hopefully it can have a good home other than a landfill.

I've also got a Fox 36 with a hole in the air side, oil side should be fine, if you need some newish Fox 36 guts. Random stuff like that. The Fox Transfer post should work, but it has no lever as that was destroyed in the accident. Brakes, derailer, etc. too. If it wasn't obviously destroyed, I kept it.

All free, not asking for money, hopefully someone can find a use for this stuff. Ping me if interested.
 

Toshi

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I'd take you up on that and try to EP8-swap my E8000 Pivot Shuttle.

but honestly I'm not doing that, and my E8000 is fine.
 

Gary

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I'd def take the motor off your hands but international postage would probably make that too much of a hassle from your side
 

sethimus

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not in Whistler anymore :/

ebikes with the new ZF motor will be interesting

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full power motor in a super tiny package
 

Gary

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Interesting. But rather than a race for lower weight more compact motors what modern Emtbs actually need are motors with larger more durable and serviceable main bearings and better sealing throughout. And the larger batteries used need to be designed to be shorter in length so as to be placed closer to the BB instead of extending towards the head tube to maintain decent weight distribution and ride characteristics.
 

sethimus

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not in Whistler anymore :/
Interesting. But rather than a race for lower weight more compact motors what modern Emtbs actually need are motors with larger more durable and serviceable main bearings and better sealing throughout. And the larger batteries used need to be designed to be shorter in length so as to be placed closer to the BB instead of extending towards the head tube to maintain decent weight distribution and ride characteristics.
have you seen the new bt battery? 630wh in a 2.6 kg package
 

slimshady

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Interesting. But rather than a race for lower weight more compact motors what modern Emtbs actually need are motors with larger more durable and serviceable main bearings and better sealing throughout. And the larger batteries used need to be designed to be shorter in length so as to be placed closer to the BB instead of extending towards the head tube to maintain decent weight distribution and ride characteristics.
The local Shimano rep began cannibalizing the myriad of broken motors to get some of them back to their owners. As you said, the main failure point are the tiny bearings. The added torque and weight causing them to fail too often.
 

Andeh

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Interesting. But rather than a race for lower weight more compact motors what modern Emtbs actually need are motors with larger more durable and serviceable main bearings and better sealing throughout. And the larger batteries used need to be designed to be shorter in length so as to be placed closer to the BB instead of extending towards the head tube to maintain decent weight distribution and ride characteristics.
This, plus if they want to cut cost, source the newer higher density batteries that are out there for other applications (auto for example).
 

Milleratio

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This, plus if they want to cut cost, source the newer higher density batteries that are out there for other applications (auto for example).
So what's stopping manufacturers doing this already today? They don't read ridemonkey forum?
 
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Gary

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have you seen the new bt battery? 630wh in a 2.6 kg package
BT? No. I don't think so. Tell me MOAR?
That's a great weight for a 630wh battery. But my point was designers fucked the weight distribution in the search of making Eebs "look" less Ebikey by fitting Loooong narrow batteries up inside downtubes.
Now Ebikes are accepted (by most). They really need to get away from that ridiculous idea and design compact batteries designed to sit with the bulk of the weight lower down and closer to the BB and not necessarily hidden away. (which BTW also created the heavier frames we see today).
 

Gary

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This, plus if they want to cut cost, source the newer higher density batteries that are out there for other applications (auto for example).
Where are you seeing that they're cheaper?
Everything is cheaper to the Auto industry simply because of volume.
 

Gary

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The local Shimano rep began cannibalizing the myriad of broken motors to get some of them back to their owners. As you said, the main failure point are the tiny bearings. The added torque and weight causing them to fail too often.
Head Shimano Ebike tech is over here just now testing Eebs as Shimano have been scratching their heads at the sheer number of warranties from the UK. (lol. it's not exactly rocket science)
a motor he was riding shat the bed in his first few days here!
Maybe... just maybe.. the penny will drop!
Don't hold your breath though.
Customer: "WHEN?"
Shimano - "4 years Son. 4 years"
 

Gary

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Gotta love this companies claim this new motor is almost as small as a 330ml can of coke (it isn't really) and the promotion pic has it sat next to a confusingly obscure and dimensionally unusual Red Bull can

Should do well in this #industry
 
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shirk007

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That ZF can only be mounted in aluminum frames as the mount is integral to cooling. Looks like a harmonic wave ring for the reduction. Being concentric they should be able to use bigger bearings and seals.
 

shirk007

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Apr 14, 2009
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BT? No. I don't think so. Tell me MOAR?
That's a great weight for a 630wh battery. But my point was designers fucked the weight distribution in the search of making Eebs "look" less Ebikey by fitting Loooong narrow batteries up inside downtubes.
Now Ebikes are accepted (by most). They really need to get away from that ridiculous idea and design compact batteries designed to sit with the bulk of the weight lower down and closer to the BB and not necessarily hidden away. (which BTW also created the heavier frames we see today).


Is the Overvolt the only bake on the market to do this? Try to center the weight over the BB.