[Trekrules]

During Eurobike the France suspension guru's debuted their brand new weapon in the DH air shock market,the long awaited air version of the Stoy will compete with the all new Cane Creek DB air,X-fusion HLR Air & RS Vivid RC2C Air in the high end segment of air shocks.

Pictures:

Features:
- High Speed Compression
- Low Speed Compression
- Rebound

The most interresting feature of this air shock is the large adjustable air chamber which controls the progressiveness of the shock,so you can get the correct spring rate by only adding or changing air into the air chamber.

The prototype shock came in just over 400g in the 222mm i2i,which is pretty good considering what a RS vivid air weights.Their isn't much more info on the new stoy R air,but i hope they will release more info on this shock like pricing,sizes etc.

Link to the news artical
http://www.mtb-news.de/news/2011/09/05/eurobike-2011-bos-s-toy-r-air/

 

[IH8Rice]

The most interresting feature of this air shock is the large adjustable air chamber which controls the progressiveness of the shock,so you can get the correct spring rate by only adding or changing air into the air chamber.

sounds like the CCDB Air. is it adjusted the same way though?

 

[motomike]

gorgeous. i really like it and the fact that there is now competition in the long travel air shock market to push manufacturers to make even better products.

 

[fluider]

The most interresting feature of this air shock is the large adjustable air chamber which controls the progressiveness of the shock,so you can get the correct spring rate by only adding or changing air into the air chamber.

I'm no shock suspension guru, but isn't increasing/decreasing air pressure in air chamber the ONLY way of adjusting the spring rate?

 

[Steve M]

I'm no shock suspension guru, but isn't increasing/decreasing air pressure in air chamber the ONLY way of adjusting the spring rate?

Think it might be one of those language issues... from what I could gather it sounds like the volume of the air chamber might be adjustable?

 

[supercow]

Where's my credit card

 

[frango]

Hmm... DBair's wide and varied adjustment are more convincing for me...
And CC is probably cheaper...

 

[norbar]

Hmm... DBair's wide and varied adjustment are more convincing for me...
And CC is probably cheaper...

DB air has one more adjustment As for the price Zumbi has great prices for Bos around here so dont be so sure.

 

[frango]

It has 33% more adjustments than BOS
I don't care about Zumbi ;> If I decide it to get DBair, I'll get it from local dystro, as you know

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Looks really good.

Price point?

Does someone know what the pricing will be for the DB AIR?

 

[frango]

Does someone know what the pricing will be for the DB AIR?

I've been told, that it shouldn't me more expensive than coil version

 

[troy]

10.5"x3.5" plz ?

 

[supercow]

10.5"x3.5" plz ?

I'd be very surprised if they didn't offer this, given that they originally were one of the only shocks made for the Makulu.

 

[norbar]

It has 33% more adjustments than BOS
I don't care about Zumbi ;> If I decide it to get DBair, I'll get it from local dystro, as you know

Given their regular prices even your bro-deal may mean it will be priced stupid.

 

[atrokz]

the long awaited air version of the Stoy will compete with the all new Cane Creek DB air,X-fusion HLR Air & RS Vivid RC2C Air in the high end segment of air shocks.

Don't forget Push's upgrade to the Vivid air unit.

Hopefully a media outlet will perform a legitamate comparision test on all these units.

 

[supercow]

Don't forget Push's upgrade to the Vivid air unit.

Hopefully a media outlet will perform a legitamate comparision test on all these units.

PUSH has a Vivid air upgrade?

 

[atrokz]

PUSH has a Vivid air upgrade?

They said their Vivid Upgrade (sold as a complete unit as well) will work on the Vivid Air (albeit with some tuning to suit the air spring). I believe it's mentioned on the Vital article.

 

[Sandwich]

It has 33% more adjustments than BOS
I don't care about Zumbi ;> If I decide it to get DBair, I'll get it from local dystro, as you know

can anyone clarify for me why you need high speed and low speed rebound, if a spring only has a certain rebound speed regardless of where it is in the travel? I'm rather confused as to why anybody needs different rebound speeds if a spring can only extend at one speed. Compression I understand.

 

[motomike]

can anyone clarify for me why you need high speed and low speed rebound, if a spring only has a certain rebound speed regardless of where it is in the travel? I'm rather confused as to why anybody needs different rebound speeds if a spring can only extend at one speed. Compression I understand.

Quite simple really. It really does make a big difference when tuned correctly..

http://www.canecreek.com/component-suspension?product=db-4-way

 

[William42]

can anyone clarify for me why you need high speed and low speed rebound, if a spring only has a certain rebound speed regardless of where it is in the travel? I'm rather confused as to why anybody needs different rebound speeds if a spring can only extend at one speed. Compression I understand.

because it doesn't only have one rebound speed regardless of travel

 

[Sandwich]

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. The spring may have a different force/rebound speed at a point in its travel, but every time it's at that location, it will have the same rebound speed...correct? Nothing acts on the rear wheel to extend it faster or slower, besides maybe the rider.

 

[big-ted]

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. The spring may have a different force/rebound speed at a point in its travel, but every time it's at that location, it will have the same rebound speed...correct? Nothing acts on the rear wheel to extend it faster or slower, besides maybe the rider.

Not true. Imagine a shock returning from bottom out in the absence of rebound damping. It is accelerated by the force of the spring throughout it's stroke, hence it reaches topout at a greater speed than if it had only rebounded from halfway into it's stroke. In theory, HSR controls top out from big hits.

Whether or not it's necessary is debatable.

 

[Sandwich]

hadn't thought of that...thanks! Is the accelerative force very great? I suppose it depends on the unsprung mass of the wheel and lever arm?

 

[Steve M]

hadn't thought of that...thanks! Is the accelerative force very great? I suppose it depends on the unsprung mass of the wheel and lever arm?

Depends on whether the tyre is loaded or not, and at what speed the spring force alone equals the damping force. LS/HS rebound tuning is just as important as LS/HS compression tuning, but it's a lot less intuitive and harder for the average rider to understand the differences in. As with anything, the more adjustability you have, the more finely you can control the characteristic, but if you don't actually know what you're doing then it can definitely do more harm than good.