[Rafael-DH]

hi guys
does RS still sells the blackbox upgrade?
where i can find it to buy?!
thanks

ps: www.blackboxracing.com is out of service!!!

 

[Acadian]

call SRAM/Rock Shox and ask for it by name!

I think it's like a $30 upgrade kit.

 

[Lars_moelby]

Is it worth the money? compared to Mojo internals?

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

Is it worth the money? compared to Mojo internals?

i had the BB upgrade installed and now there is a loud "bang" when the fork rebound (tops out actually)

this is in a 03 race. i dont know if i am going to put it back to stock, buy the Stratos internals or what ??

http://www.stratashock.com/main.html

 

[Acadian]

i had the BB upgrade installed and now there is a loud "bang" when the fork rebound (tops out actually)

that means something has been installed wrong or something has came loose.

take you're fork apart and inspect it.

 

[Lars_moelby]

Does nobody ride with Mojo internals in USA??, they´ve had very great reviews, i´ve ridden one myself and they are VERY sweet!

 

[Lars_moelby]

thats the nice thing about being in EU... i wait about 3-4 days for something from UK...

 

[Acadian]

I just bought a Stratos ID cartridge (with DH valving) for my Boxxer Race and feel that it was worth every penny. It's over $100 cheaper than the Mojo cartridge and I got it shipped to me w/in the same week instead of waiting forever for something to clear customs from the UK.
Rocksht Black Box "upgrades" on a Boxxer Race fork proves the ol adage "you can't polish a turd". Don't bother wasting your time or money with their garbage. This is the company that put their World Cup Boxxer fork out on the market and they puked oil bcz a hole wasn't drilled big enough. Then, Romic were the ones that had to figure out that fix for them too. Pretty sad and it should tell you something about Rocksht. Respect is earned and they aren't really working very hard to achieve that goal.

are you related to JM?

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

I just bought a Stratos ID cartridge (with DH valving) for my Boxxer Race and feel that it was worth every penny. It's over $100 cheaper than the Mojo cartridge and I got it shipped to me w/in the same week instead of waiting forever for something to clear customs from the UK.
Rocksht Black Box "upgrades" on a Boxxer Race fork proves the ol adage "you can't polish a turd". Don't bother wasting your time or money with their garbage. This is the company that put their World Cup Boxxer fork out on the market and they puked oil bcz a hole wasn't drilled big enough. Then, Romic were the ones that had to figure out that fix for them too. Pretty sad and it should tell you something about Rocksht. Respect is earned and they aren't really working very hard to achieve that goal.

$250 for the Stratos ID Cart seems like a bargin compared to buying a new fork. Does that upgrade get rid of the pogo ? do they put a weight limit on it? this fork is on my little brothers v10 - he's 155 pounds (at the moment) - he's growing like a weed

 

[vitox]

I've heard that the Boxxer World Cup internals are pretty good and they're $250 also but, they have to be drilled first or they'll blow oil out the seals. Seems like more trouble than it's worth if all other things are equal?

i believ your sources are a bit less informed than you think, for starters the "world cup internals" are the same as the team internals, and they dont need drilling since 2003, oh and the oil replenish problem is not really related to any kind of oil leakage, if anything, it would work against pressure buildup.

 

[vitox]

hi guys
does RS still sells the blackbox upgrade?
where i can find it to buy?!
thanks

ps: www.blackboxracing.com is out of service!!!

rafael, what fork do you have? im coming over to cuzco for the mega avalanche and i think i have a couple of base valves left over from the plastic mayhem days, are you going to be there?

 

[Transcend]

Also, to append what vitox said...the race forks basically have NO damping..there is NO cartridge, it is simply a dummy rod in one side. Spend a few hundred bucks more and you actually GET that damping, and then add a metal basevalve. It is a pretty damn good upgrade.

 

[HRDTLBRO]

Those articles don't happen to come from MBA, do they? Vitox is correct, 04' and on don't need compression drilling. I believe the problem rooted from the switch to taiwanese construction, where the hole was drilled incorrectly from the factory. I've ridden an 03' Mojo'ed Race and it was sweet. The rebound range was greatly improved, and it was quite plush. I'd have to agree, though, that the Stratos upgrade would save time and money.

 

[vitox]

The question was about the Boxxer Race, which has no damping. More than one shop quoted me $125 per side (1 rebound and 1 compression=$250) on the Boxxer damping cartridges to upgrade it to the WC. The Team version just has one compression cartridge. Every magazine article and every shop I've spoken with had mentioned the need for drilling the cartridge too so, that's just what I've been told consistently from many different and reliable sources. They all said it had to be done or oil would pump out the seal. I've seen it and I believe it to be true.
In the end, the Stratos ID was a lot less hassle. That's all I was passing along and I hope it helps.

sorry man, but you are indeed wrong.

up until this year, where the springs are ti on the WC and steel on the team, there are no differences between the wc and the team, internally.

the race has a rebound damper, its a simplified version of the normal boxxer damper and cannot be taken apart more than at the base valve. the 2003 race has a white plastic base valve that is not prone to breaking like the yellow 03 team/wc base valve. 04 (black) races have the red alloy base valve also found on the team/wc models.

the team has a compression damper and a rebound damper, from 2004 on it has a different spring seat (black instead of white) with a cutout to allow better oil flow from the cartridge head and up, on both sides. this, plus the oil refresh holes and the aforementioned base valve are all the changes i have detected between 03 and 04 for the team/wc fork.
the same is true for the WC fork, as (i repeat) they are identical on the inside.

i could go on about the mod but do not really think its necessary, just remember the problem is in the rate at which the oil cycles back behind the valve, give it a thought from there on and tell me when you find out that this can have no effect on seals, ok?

 

[klunky]

I have never felt a nice mojo cart boxxer but thats only 2 sets.

I wouldnt buy anything from mojo though as there ad campaingns always seem to be full of ****.

 

[Jm_]

Yes, you can't polish a turd.

A boxxer has ported-damping, from 1970s technology.

The stratos cartridge has a shimmed damper setup, much closer to current technology.

It's an upgrade over anything that comes from RS.

(which reminds me, Jerry at hippietech didn't call me back today)..

 

[vitox]

first things first, i really dont want you to think im "on your case" or anything like that.

the reason to why i keep replying to what you think are non-issues is that id hate people that come to RM for information, get the facts wrong, and wrong they have been in this thread.

as to the "easier alternative" , i posted a detailed step by step guide on how to transform the 03 race to 04-ish team. cant find the thread now though.

that and i just cant avoid pointing out the fact that a valve with no oil in it simply has no way to harm seals.

now, ive sort of given up on any stratos related stuff but any cartridge solution containing a compression damper is a great idea for a compression damper-less fork like the race. but again, remember, you can also just put an RS comp damper in there, for less money.