[profro]

The reason I keep my Shivers is the durability and performance. I am racing a lot now and I know I could benefit from a significant weight loss, but on day to day shuttles and practice nothing can handle the abuse like the Shiver. Mine are 2001s I keep abusing. I've changed the oil on a regular basis, but everything else is original.

 

[kidwoo]

Shiver seals ARE 888 seals.

Amazing how they fit 32mm AND 35mm stantions.

 

[CBJ]

I agree with you Profo but if you don't shuttle and take good care of a Boxxer I can't see why it isn't a good fork especially if you get the Team or WC.

 

[Brian Peterson]

The Shiver and 888 are both 35mm stanchion tubes....

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Speaking of 888's I'm changing the oil tonight whats the recommended oil level, I was thinking around 190mm is that correct?

 

[Jm_]

Amazing how they fit 32mm AND 35mm stantions.

considering that my shiver has 35mm stanchions, and that the shiver seals I ordered said "888/Shiver"...I must ask, what shiver do you have??

 

[kidwoo]

considering that my shiver has 35mm stanchions, and that the shiver seals I ordered said "888/Shiver"...I must ask, what shiver do you have??

I stand corrected.

I thought they had the same size tubes as the other inverted forks.

Did they used to or have they always been 35?

 

[James | Go-Ride]

The Shiver SC uses 30mm stanchions. The Dorado had 32mm stanchions, maybe that's where you got confused.

 

[Acadian]

I stand corrected.

I thought they had the same size tubes as the other inverted forks.

Did they used to or have they always been 35?

Marzocchi rookie!!

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Marzocchi rookie!!

Yep, its good to be a vetran........................Hunh Luc

 

[vitox]

The Shiver SC uses 30mm stanchions. The Dorado had 32mm stanchions, maybe that's where you got confused.

even more confusing is the fact that the dorado HAD 30mm stanchions (no idea why) and now the new one has 32mm but then again the new one doesnt exist anymore so there is the new/old one that has 32mm ....

 

[kidwoo]

Marzocchi rookie!!

I've still owned more of them than you have.


Brianhopewhore:I put in between 200 and 205ml volume (not depth from stantion top) in mine and it's behaving itself nicely.

Brian P: Do you guys have a volume you're recommending vs height from top?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

I've still owned more of them than you have.


Brianhopewhore:I put in between 200 and 205ml volume (not depth from stantion top) in mine and it's behaving itself nicely.

Brian P: Do you guys have a volume you're recommending vs height from top?

I talked to Brian about this a few weeks ago, the manual says 210cc's each leg, but they now are measuring heigth from the top. At least thats what I've been told.

 

[Jm_]

I thought they had the same size tubes as the other inverted forks.

Did they used to or have they always been 35?

They do, Stratos S8s have 35mm stanchions too.

They have always been 35mm.

 

[zedro]

Don't formula cars have no suspension at all and rely on the inharent flex of a small dia tubular cro-mo frame?
Maybe that's the answer. Bike frames that look like Ducatis.

Formula cars have suspension, double A-arm with actuation rods that link to inboard shocks. Go-carts on the other hand dont use suspension.

some trivia: McLaren had a type of active suspension for a year (before it got banned) which didnt use coils or dampers, but rather computer controlled hydrolic pistons which only served to keep the chassis exactly level to the ground at a set height. This was to keep perfect aerodynamics at all times, not to achieve road compliance like typical suspensions.

 

[Jm_]

Formula cars have suspension, double A-arm with actuation rods that link to inboard shocks. Go-carts on the other hand dont use suspension.

some trivia: McLaren had a type of active suspension for a year (before it got banned) which didnt use coils or dampers, but rather computer controlled hydrolic pistons which only served to keep the chassis exactly level to the ground at a set height. This was to keep perfect aerodynamics at all times, not to achieve road compliance like typical suspensions.

Only a matter of time before big car makers integrate some sort of similar system that "raises" the outboard side of the car and "lowers" the inboard (in a turn) and therefore gains a much more advatageous CG, allowing better cornering (more Gs!)...

 

[Shmoe]

The shiver is a good fork, great dampning, good adjustment and very little maintanence. I rode one all of last season and really liked it.
I have a 02 boxxer now with a few 'mods' done to it and havnt even ridden it 10 times yet, but so far ive been really enjoying it. The boxxer feels a little stiffer in corners I would say. I dont think you can really go wrong.

 

[Acadian]

The shiver is a good fork, great dampning, good adjustment and very little maintanence. I rode one all of last season and really liked it.
I have a 02 boxxer now with a few 'mods' done to it and havnt even ridden it 10 times yet, but so far ive been really enjoying it. The boxxer feels a little stiffer in corners I would say. I dont think you can really go wrong.

I knew there was something about you that I liked!!

 

[kidwoo]

They do, Stratos S8s have 35mm stanchions too.

They have always been 35mm.

I don't consider stratos when I discuss forks.

Good to know the history. Now I can assume that the newer ones are just as flexy as the ones I've ridden before that were at least a year old. Hahhahaha.

Seriously though, those forks rule for hitting stuff head on. And zoke plushness can't be beat, even more so with shivers. I really don't like how much they deflect and squirm around when turning in really rocky stuff though. They do twist a bit. I put monter ts and shivers at opposite ends of the spectrum in that respect.

 

[buildyourown]

Only a matter of time before big car makers integrate some sort of similar system that "raises" the outboard side of the car and "lowers" the inboard (in a turn) and therefore gains a much more advatageous CG, allowing better cornering (more Gs!)...

The Mercedes concept does this. Front suspension stiffens when brakes are applied. The outboard suspension stiffens when you turn and the wheels angle themselves into the turn. Completely unnecessary for a daily driver but cool.

 

[Jm_]

The Mercedes concept does this. Front suspension stiffens when brakes are applied. The outboard suspension stiffens when you turn and the wheels angle themselves into the turn. Completely unnecessary for a daily driver but cool.

yeah but I thought of it like 10 years ago

 

[buildyourown]

yeah but I thought of it like 10 years ago

I'm sure somebody thought of it a long time ago but the onboard computers didn't exist to do it. I forget how many computers the modern consumer car has but it is a lot. A lot more computing power than the space shuttle.

 

[bighitfsr]

1) the shiver will have an advantage over the boxxer in the static flex text as its inverted and has more overlap. If you compress the forks and repeat the text the stiffness should improve more with the boxxer than the shiver.

2) Regardless of how badly the flex test relates to real riding when you perfrom the test on both a shiver and the significantly lighter boxxer the shivers worse. Saying the leverage is totally different etc is not valid IMO.
More flex is never a good thing. A dorado with its puny 30mm lowers flexs a lot less than a shiver also.

The Mojo kit will not make a boxxer feel like a shiver.
The mojo is pretty much a race only setup.
A mojo'ed boxxer is very linear with minimal compression damping.
Its not suitable for drops and IMO not suitable for riders over 180lbs.

Romic dont make boxxer internals anymore.
I dont think romic boxxer internals were ever available to the public.

IMO the ID carts look like a better option than the Mojo Kit.
I'm pretty sure you can run springs in both legs with an ID cart.
The ID cart is similar to a marzocchi cart (shimmed damping, open bath) with the inertia valve feature.

If you want the performance of a shiver with lighter weight the 888R is the best bet IMO.

 

[Guess?Who]

I still laugh every time I hear people say:

"It's flexy. I wedged the front tire between my knees and twisted."

I'd like to see where you ride, if getting your tire stuck in people's knees when you're trying to turn is a common problem

I was thinking the same thing. I loved my Shiver it wasn't flexy at all, on a trail at least. The Shiver is heavy and that is why I went with a Dorado.

 

[Jm_]

I was thinking the same thing. I loved my Shiver it wasn't flexy at all, on a trail at least. The Shiver is heavy and that is why I went with a Dorado.

saved a whopping .7lbs there, 8%!

 

[cali4niabiker]

Hmm. Maybe I'm going to ditch the Boxxer since at this point, the performance & resale value has the edge at this point. Also, I'm keeping a sharp eye out for the new FOX DH fork... it sounds like it has good potential, but would like to wait until Fox works out the pre-production jitters.

 

[vitox]

saved a whopping .7lbs there, 8%!

8% of 25%!!!

 

[Jm_]

8% of 25%!!!

?????

 

[thaflyinfatman]

?????

The fork being roughly 25% of the total weight of the bike...

 

[NickyT]

Shivers are flexy. It's scientifically proven here

 

[Jm_]

The fork being roughly 25% of the total weight of the bike...

ahh...

 

[bpatterson6]

The "Shiver is Flexy" Myth is just that.
A Myth. C'mon Give me a break.
I have an '02 Shiver and I weigh 240lbs
with Full equipment on. I have
NEVER felt any such thing.
Shiver's ROCK!!!

 

[RhinofromWA]

.7 pounds from the front of your bike is worth more than just the difference in wieght

Just an observation.

wouldn't 25% (at 8.something lbs) make the bike about 35lbs? My fork is about 15% I still wouldn't put a heavy fork on the front because my bike is so long to begin with....manualing or lofting the front end is that much harder with an extra pound....when it is stuck waaaaaaaaaaay out in front

 

[kidwoo]

Shivers are flexy. It's scientifically proven here

That rules.

I have had rocks jump out of the woods and surround my wheel however when I'm trying to steer through them.

 

[Jm_]

.
I still wouldn't put a heavy fork on the front because my bike is so long to begin with....manualing or lofting the front end is that much harder with an extra pound....when it is stuck waaaaaaaaaaay out in front

Ok..but for those of us that do not have a 25" top tube or a 48" wheelbase.....

Plus, you could just pull up 8% harder

 

[RhinofromWA]

Ok..but for those of us that do not have a 25" top tube or a 48" wheelbase.....

Plus, you could just pull up 8% harder

haha...

yeah that isn't going to happen. at the length of my Rotec that 8% becomes like 200% kinda like wieght on the outside of a wheel vrs on the hub....just pedal harder right?

Oh and it is 49 inches

 

[cali4niabiker]

haha...

yeah that isn't going to happen. at the length of my Rotec that 8% becomes like 200% kinda like wieght on the outside of a wheel vrs on the hub....just pedal harder right?

Oh and it is 49 inches

Perhaps an 9V electric scooter motor will do the trick for a ~2-3 % increase in total weight of the bike by changing from a dorado to a shiver... hmm... what should I call it? Any ideas?

 

[J]

That mercedes suspension stuff sounds awesome.

Shivers rule. I have a 2002... 2nd owner, 1st beat the hell out of it racing and all I had to do was replace seals and bushing, throw some oil in it, and now it feels brand new. Just dont take the stanchion gaurds off, even though it looks cooler....

Only thing I dont like is the upper crown bolt that holds on to the steerer. I've stripped the bolt in there twice and once the threads of the crown. I dont tighten it too much either. I think they should use a bolt and nut style thing and just leave the hole in the crown not tapped. Maybe my problem is isolated though?

-J

 

[SuspectDevice]

I'm a 160 lb racer, I run a Mojo cartridge 9 clicks from full soft with one stock rs yellow (soft) spring and no preload. and I've bottomed my fork hard maybe once or twice by completely botchng my landing into a rock garden.
I run 60mm of sag with my setup and It feels linear off the top but the last 1/3 of the travel is quite progressive. I have a hard time beleiving that a rider who is only 20 pounds more than me wouldn't be able to get an appropriate spring rate, as RS has 3 heavier springs, and Mojo offers 2 other rates as well.
The Stratos cartridge intrigues me as well, as I'm a tuning fan.
But really, If you are happy with your shiver, stay with it. Unless you are REALLY fast, having confidence in your fork is going to outweigh any weight loss...

 

[ioscope]

Remember the thread with a DNM bike with torsion bar suspension? torsion bars are the sh**!