[klunky]

I am planning on ordering a floating brake from Brake therapy in the next week or 2.

Im ordering the part for my trek Diesel and getting it sent to the U.K. but i am just wondering if they are easy to install or if there is anything i should be wary of?

im just concerned i fork out for this and it gets shipped here and it doent fit !!!

i have been e-mailing brake therapy and i know they produce a kit for this bike but i am hoping somone on here might have some experiance with them.

Thanks

 

[Shoobear]

Hey, this guy ken makes a sweet thearpy.Give him a email.
kennyo130@hotmail.com
Cheers

 

[AfroJack]

I bought a brake therapy kit for my foes dhs tube and it cracked my frame. I would not buy one of these kits for your bike, they are nicely made but are often mounted to parts on the frame that cant support the forces a disk brake produces. Also the guy that makes them doesnt back up his products. when it broke my frame i brought it to the manufacturer and he saw the crack and told me he would refund the kit but not help me with my broken frame.

 

[klunky]

but my frame comes with a mount for the floater to bolt onto. rather than clamping it on a tube

 

[AfroJack]

if the frame has a mount that the manufacturer put on the frame then go for it. But dont trust where brake therapy mounts their kits unless it is on the stock mount where the bike is designed to take the braking forces.

 

[klunky]

yeah trek weld on the mount and its put there specificly for the brake therapy mount

 

[shock]

Hi, this is Brian from Therapy Components. I felt the need to respond to this issue.

I remember making that floater as a special request of the shop that sold this bike. They thought it would come with the stock Foes mount but it did not. I believe this was because it was a close out on the previous year models, and was sold for a very low price. While we do not make a floater for this bike, the shop was desperate, and were willing to accept that this was a prototype that might need a little development.

We attached the rod to the tab that the chain tensioner mounts to, with a spacer that went over to the brake side of the bike for proper location. This spacer also rested against the frame gusset forward of it, so that it could not move forward and put load on the tab.

We talked with the shop quite a bit about this, and they very happy with this, as long as the bike was used for downhill racing, and the brakes were used in the forward direction.

When the customer showed me the bike at Sea Otter, he admitted that he had been doing "trials" moves, i.e. bouncing on the back wheel with the brake on. This action obviously pulls on the mount rather than push on it, and caused the tab to bend backwards. We explained to him that this was NOT suitable for this mount.

We offered the option of an immediate refund, or to make a strap (similar to the stock Foes mount) that ties the rod mount to the main pivot bolt. This would allow the rod to be used in tension.

The tab itself could be easily straightened at that time, and would have served it's original function.

The customer did not want to be without the floater, and did not want the new strap. Instead he wanted us to buy a new frame.

After talking with the dealer, we refunded the money for the floater (to the dealer) and I believe he arranged for a new frame.

We always stand behind our products, and have a full money back guarentee. Even in this case, where the floater itself had no problems, we refunded the money.

The braking loads are not particularly difficult to design for. a 6mm bolt in single shear can handle the load (as is the stock foes mount). None of the floater models we make have shown ANY problems with the mounts, except this bike with this customer.

Sometimes people use things for other than their intended purpose, and sometimes compromises must be made. We tried to help the shop out with their customer, and work with the customer to work out a solution, and we would do it again.

 

[AfroJack]

At sea otter you admitted that other customers had run into similar problems with your floating disk brake mount. They simply chose to live with it. These customers had used it for standard DH use. Honestly you cant have a mount that only is supported in one direction. Regardless it was an engineering oversite. Over time the same problem would have surfaced. I honestly only did one or two so called "trials" hops, something like this should not have happened. I would just make sure the floaters are not mounted to anything besides a bolt or a stable clamping device. Just looking out for other DHers in my position.

 

[HippieKai]

I ride with a dude that has the Diesel and the brake floter and he LOVES it. It works great and he never has a problem with it. I have a bullit with a floter on it and it inproved the ride quality a lot. Buy it, it's worth it. Plus the guy that owns BT is a great guy.

 

[shock]

Sorry afrojack, I think you're misquoting me at Sea Otter. I said we have other customers that have the exact same setup with NO PROBLEMS. They chose to live with it because it was fine. I don't think anyone would have just "lived with it" if their frame was broken, as you stated

But we do now include the "strap" to the pivot bolt, simply because it's easy and obviously strengthens the entire mount. When we made your floater for the shop you bought the bike from, we did not have those dimensions. When you brought the bike to Sea Otter, we took measurements to make that part.

We also offered a full refund at that time, which you declined.

You were offered the same piece at no charge, but when we got back from Sea Otter and Big Bear, you said you did not want that, you wanted a new frame, due to warrenty concerns if it caused a problem later.

Since, at that time, nothing was broken and the tab was very easy to bend back, that seemed a bit unreasonable, and I told you if there was a problem later, we would help work out a solution with Foes and/or your shop.

You also stated at the time that your complaint was with the shop that sold you the bike, as you thought it was going to have the stock floater mount, and you were going to try to get a new frame out of them, even though at that time your tab was fine for the purpose of the chain tensioner. I do believe you got a frame from them, even though that might have been a bit unreasonable.......

My main problems with your post are as follows:

Your frame was never broken, I still have the pics you sent

Your frame could easily have been used without the floater, with no problems

We offered you a fix, which you refused

We offered you a refund, which you refused

We stated that if the strap did not fix the problem, and it later caused a warrenty issue, we would BUY YOUR FRAME.

None of these solutions were acceptable to you, you simply wanted a new frame NOW

 

[keen]

As of yet I havn't had the need for a floating rear caliper. Yet the guy sounds like he has a strong sense of good customer service.

 

[Captain Crunch]

As a Bullit rider, I find this thread fascinating, and I am impressed with Brake Therapy's willingness to speak up for their product and service here in this forum. I am definetly considering the Kit as on of two major upgrades for my 03' bike for next season. I am debating the performance vs. weight still a bit, but I think I can make up for the weight by going to a lighter tube/tire combo. I just want to get the most out of my dopealicious bike suspensioin, and I know I'm getting jacked all to heck on some drops right now and through rough and steep stuff, and would love to try a therapy kit in the hopes that it will make my bike even better than it is. Well, we'll see, I don't know which I need first, my Slider Plus, or the Therapy kit, they both need to find their way onto my rig by spring, I'm pretty sure.

Again Kudos to the Therapy guy for not getting walked all over by a dude who sounds like he just didn't want to be pleased.

 

[AfroJack]

Therapy , Heres my response to your last post:

My main problems with your post are as follows:

Your frame was never broken, I still have the pics you sent

My frame was broken, the mount snapped after sea otter, i called you and told you this. You suggested i should just bend the mount back but were not willing ot do it youself. Bending the mount would have caused it to crack even worse. Adrenaline bikes very nicely, no questions asked, got me a new frame. By far the best bike shop ever.

Your frame could easily have been used without the floater, with no problems

This is were things get complicated. I bout my frame without a factory floater because i didnt have enough money at the time. Adrenaline bikes said i could upgrade it later, so i did. THey sent me a therapy components floater. I put it on and it broke the frame. Now both therapy and adrenaline, said this set up wold work, therapy refused to stand by there product and replace the broken frame, adrenaline however did stand behind their word and got me a frame with a factory floater.

We offered you a fix, which you refused

The tab needed to be bent for this "fix" to work and no shop would be willing to do this because of the risk. If i did it myself and it snapped, which it would have you would have just said i bent it wrong. You were not willing to perform the bend either, so your fix was not possible.

We offered you a refund, which you refused

What good does a 100 dollar refund do when you have a 2400 dollar broken frame? I bought it thinking your kit would add a floater. Both you and adrenaline assured me of this, but it didnt work, i wanted a frame with a floater, if i would have known your kit wouldnt solve my problem i would have waited to get my frame another month since that would have been a shorter wait then the almost 3 months i was out of a bike.

We stated that if the strap did not fix the problem, and it later caused a warrenty issue, we would BUY YOUR FRAME.

You never stated this and would not put it on paper. A verbal agreement on an issue was not good enough for me. And the broken tab did cause a warrenty isssue. It broke the frame in a spot that warrenty would not replace it.

None of these solutions were acceptable to you, you simply wanted a new frame NOW

I waited almost 6 months to build this frame and when i finally got it finished it broke within two weeks of putting the brake therapy floater on it. A bike is fun to look at an all, but i didnt buy it to take up floor space... If im going to spend almost five thousand dollars on a bike it better work. And after two months of trying to get you to understand why i was having problems with your kit( could not ride) I was getting very anxious to have a bike that worked. Towards the end i just felt like you were leading me along and just trying everything in your power not to deal with my problem.

Now im not telling anyone not to buy your kits, they are very nicely machined, I just would be careful were the floater arm is mounted. Make sure its been working for other people, not worth the trouble of riding a prototype part.

 

[than]

I have nothing but good words for the guys at Brake Therapy! I have a '03 Diesel and I installed the Floater after about 2 months of riding without it. The diffrence is HUGE! I took the suggestion to get the hadley hub, from therapy as well. I've ridden this setup on my Diesel and it works perfectly. Talk with the therapy guys and they'll get you the parts you need to make it work properly. I haven't dealt with any other applications, but is a sound investment for Diesel.