*Breaking Kerry Nuze*
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OH NO what will ever happen to us poor Bush haters now!
WE ARE DOOMED!
WE ARE DOOMED!
I didn't read the whole article, so was he nailing an intern? Allegedly that is, allegedly nailing an intern.
This is very similar to Gary Hart build a lead, sex scandel, disappear. I guess we really will have to see what happens.
This is very similar to Gary Hart build a lead, sex scandel, disappear. I guess we really will have to see what happens.
Who knows, but it will be fun to see how this plays out though. Kerry is the Clinton's man and Howie Dean is bucking their establishment hard. The winner out of all this just might be Edwards who appears to be a palatable option.Originally posted by ummbikes
OH NO what will ever happen to us poor Bush haters now!
WE ARE DOOMED!
Ya, if this is true Edwards has to most to gain. I just can't see Dean pulling it off. He's too fringe but heck it would be a hell of a campaign to watch.
Oh, the drama!
Wes, you bailed out too soon!
FWIW - I was really desperate for brain candy yesterday and bought FHM magazine. Kerry's daughter is listed as one of the 50 most eligble single women in the U.S.
The Bush twins and a shrub niece (not the crack head) were also listed.
Wes, you bailed out too soon!
FWIW - I was really desperate for brain candy yesterday and bought FHM magazine. Kerry's daughter is listed as one of the 50 most eligble single women in the U.S.
The Bush twins and a shrub niece (not the crack head) were also listed.
Picts of Kerry's daughter?
She's decent, but the Bush girls are hotter. Don't think I'll go to the FHM website from work.Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Picts of Kerry's daughter?
Keep in mind, they also had Liza Minelli on the list!
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Violets are blue
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What's the story of that photo? Egads, a vietnam vet attending a peace rally? Hell, there's better dirty on Kerry than that.
The guy is a deorated vet who is also anti-war. I don't really see anything wrong with that. That rates higher in my book than a war monger that was too afraid to serve.
Hey, was that a shot at our President?
Houston never got invaded by the Cubans while he was serving in the Texas Air National Guard, you remember that!
so, do you want the story, or is your mind made up? Mine's not, but this is helping me get closure on this historical issue:
i'll just assume you'll spout off something like "fox news! ha! ollie north! iran-contra!" And once you get that out of your system, please explain what is false about the report.
i recognise that time is a healer of many things, and that this is water under the bridge. However, he should be confronted on this issue if he & his ilk want to invoke vietnam. It's not a menu from which he can pick & choose to suit his campaign any more than the office which he seeks can do likewise.
Stinkle-
I don't have the exact info sitting in front of me but Kerry is one of many military folk who had a change of heart on Vietnam War.
I'm talking generals etc...
I don't see how if Kerry expidited the withdraw from 'nam that it is a bad thing. By the end everyone from stinky hippies to the POTUS knew it was a lost cause.
I'll try and find the names and dates or if someone else knows chime in.
I don't have the exact info sitting in front of me but Kerry is one of many military folk who had a change of heart on Vietnam War.
I'm talking generals etc...
I don't see how if Kerry expidited the withdraw from 'nam that it is a bad thing. By the end everyone from stinky hippies to the POTUS knew it was a lost cause.
I'll try and find the names and dates or if someone else knows chime in.
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The North Vietnamese general [Giap] in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.
In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North.
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Hardly makes Kerry singlehandedly responsible for the defeat in Vietnam does it. And anyway does it really matter, is the Vietnam episode still that painful for the USA? It's a long time ago now.
Also if Kerry believed the war was wrong (and having been there I guess he had some knowledge of the conflict) and he campaigned to withdraw what does he need to defend? He achieved his stated aim at the time. If he remains anti-war now then at least he's consistent.
I don't really know if he'd be any better than Bush but this particular item really is a non-story blown up to sound like something.
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The North Vietnamese general [Giap] in charge of the military campaign that finally drove the U.S. out of South Vietnam in 1975 credited a group led by Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry with helping him achieve victory.
In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S. - according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North.
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Hardly makes Kerry singlehandedly responsible for the defeat in Vietnam does it. And anyway does it really matter, is the Vietnam episode still that painful for the USA? It's a long time ago now.
Also if Kerry believed the war was wrong (and having been there I guess he had some knowledge of the conflict) and he campaigned to withdraw what does he need to defend? He achieved his stated aim at the time. If he remains anti-war now then at least he's consistent.
I don't really know if he'd be any better than Bush but this particular item really is a non-story blown up to sound like something.
When he approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the Navy. The Navy assigned him to the USS Gridley which between December 1966 and July 1968 saw four months of action off the Vietnam coast. In August through November, 1968, Kerry was trained to be the skipper of a patrol boat for Vietnamese rivers. For the next five months, until April of 1969, Kerry was the commanding Lieutenant of a patrol boat in the Mekong Delta. He was wounded slightly on three different occasions and received a Silver Star for bravery. His patrol boat took part in Operation Sealords, mostly scouting out Viet Cong villages and transporting South Vietnamese marines to various destinations up and down narrow rivers covered with heavy foliage on either side. One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies, and better educational facilities.
Yes, brave and a decent human being too. I just can't swallow that 'nam was a just and good war.
You said it better than I coul Ummbikes.
to be clear: 'nam sucked. Mainly for what happens when politicians (not soldiers) fight a war.
never meant to imply the onus rests on his shoulders any more than intelligence failure(s) in iraq rests on the shoulders of our president & your PM
is that another way to say "flip-flop"?
(yes, i'm trolling)
The article was trying to suggest that though.
Also there are several big differences, firstly Kerry was actually trying to get a US withdrawal from Vietnam, secondly he was not the 'chief executive' of his government at the time.
I'll let the reader fill in the blanks.
Nice trolling with you.
Nope, it was another way to get laid. Everyone knows all that vintage 60's-70's FREE LOVE was mainly administered by anti-war peacenick hippy chicks.
$tinkle - you're really going out of your way to put words in my mouth. It's a lot easier to come in with an open mind if you don't do that.
Thanks for the back up info on the photo. That's all I was asking for.
Thanks for the back up info on the photo. That's all I was asking for.
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has said that his North Vietnamese captors had used news reports of John Kerry-led anti-war protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners during their time at the infamous Hanoi Hilton....
I had to watch it with the sound off, but I didn't see anything wrong with the photos...
You still haven't responded to ummbikes posting the FULL version of the article you quoted. Seems like while he would rather have been other places and was opposed to the war, he still served his country as they asked, and served it well. That strikes me as integrity and sense of duty.
N8, good trolling, but if you're trying to imply that Kerry was responsible for McCain's capture or torture, you're a dumbass.
If you're trying to say that McCain knew at the time it was specifically John Kerry who was protesting the war, you're a dumbass
If you're trying to imply that the Viet Cong wouldn't have been able to think of things to taunt POWs with, had veterans not been protesting in the US, you're a dumbass.
If you're trying to say that it hurt McCain's feelings that veterans were opposed to the war, you're a dumbass. He was a POW for God's sake... I'm pretty sure he wanted the war to end as soon as possible.
So what exactly ARE you trying to say, because every explanation I can come up with points to you being a dumbass?
I wonder how much it hurt McCain's feelings that lots of rich politicians' children had managed to avoid their duty to the country by exploiting their connections? (how's that for trolling?)
It boggles my mind that you can at once claim that Kerry stands for nothing except self-serving, yet criticize him for serving his country (note the "self-serving" above) and then openly and publicly taking a stand (not the "stands for nothing" above) against a controversial war. Make up your mind.
Answer to #2: At the time of Kerry's protests he was a known figure as the leader of the VVAW. It's logical to deduce Kerry's name, rank, serial number etc would have been used by the Vietnamese in order to demoralize American prisoners. If Sen. McCain says it is as it was, that's good enough for this discussion.
Answer to #4: Most military POW's I have known thought quite the oppsite of your goofy statements.
All other items in your blather I take simply as "Oh-High-Ooo" doesn't have a leg to stand on so he'll just resort to name calling... I can deal with that.
then, i reckon there's nothing wrong w/ the rummy-sodom foto either. glad we put that to rest.Originally posted by ohio
I had to watch it with the sound off, but I didn't see anything wrong with the photos...
there's actually more still than what he posted, but i did show (slightly) more journalistic integrity than the WSJ did yesterday by including his enlistment. As much as i do appreciate his service to our country - and i do - i think he's open to attack from his opponents on both sides of the aisle when he takes on a cafeteria style of vietnem war rhetoric & service records. I did find what he said back in 1992 to be spot on:
so, he can be a statesman when it's convenient. Not meant as an insult if you recognize politics for what it is.
Oh.... ouch... stoppit... my feeling is hurt..waaa...
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A lot the negative energy on the libby left today...
I think he'd make a nice bearded lady.
Oh, the irony..
You have pre-emptively answered most of the immediate retorts I could see coming. But IMO, anyone who helped us get out of that quagmire faster was doing the right thing. Viet Nam was and still is nothing for our country to be proud of. We should have never entered there in the first place. And at this point, Kerry's anti war record is the only thing I like about him. Other than that, I see him as just another run of the mill DC politician.
During Ike's term in office when SEATO was formed, my father(a career Air Force officer) was sent to Viet Nam with a group of military officers. They were sent to evaluate the logistical concerns of defending that part of the world. They came back with the recommendation to not get involved. They saw another Korea. Well, the powers that be did not like the report, so another group was sent with a much tighter directive. They were told to come up with answers that fit into the SEATO requirements. My father was left at home.
You got this right off your favorite and most even keeled news source didn't you? I have yet to be able to find the source of this "quote" from McCain, other than the max source of news.
What I have found is a quote from a few weeks ago in which McCain said