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H8R

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Article said:
VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI has made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Jesus Christ, tackling one of the most controversial issues in Christianity in a new book.

In "Jesus of Nazareth-Part II" excerpts released Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/02/pope-exonerates-jews-jesus-death-new-book/#ixzz1Fp2pgQLE
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Why does this sound like a bad Hollywood sequel? Like "Jesus of Nazareth-Part II: The Quickening"

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TheTruth

TheTruth

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Fvcking idiots. They first separated themselves from the jews when they people created Catholicism. Now, they are basically saying, "we want to be jews again." I also don't understand why the Catholics decided that Jesus belongs to them when jesus was jewish. I want the pope to fall off his balcony. And when he dies, he will sh!t himself uncontrollably.
 
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JRogers

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Not to try and inject some actual information or thought into this thread, but I think the news article that was linked to overstates the importance of this whole thing. Antisemitism is not exactly a big part of the catholic church in most of the world today or, really, much except very conservative churches. As the article points out, Nostra Aetate from the second Vatican Council basically says all this in rather unambiguous terms.
 
BurlyShirley

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Never really understood the hatred for Jews/Judas etc. anyway. Wasn't the whole plan for dude to die for everybody's future sins? Had he just lived to die of old age, what good would the story be?

Should be thanking the jews for killing jesus instead of absolving them.
 
Andyman_1970

Andyman_1970

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Ok this seems a little strange to me...........

In "Jesus of Nazareth-Part II" excerpts released Wednesday, Benedict explains biblically and theologically why there is no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death.
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It's not like this is a "news flash", you know some goat herder found a lost fragment of some ancient text, say that was missing from one of the Canonized Gospels and "poof" the Jews didn't do it..........is the Pope just now getting around to reading the Scriptures?

Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but this seems like a major "bulletin from the department of the obvious" memo.............
 
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kidwoo said:
I'm glad someone realizes the importance of this extremely meaningful thread and respects the topic at hand. That truly is some quality thought you have brought.
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By your sarcasm I take you to mean that I should just fall in line and start making fun of people when, you know, I have no idea what I'm talking about. Good plan.
 
rockofullr

rockofullr

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I think after this one and the "condoms only ok for sex with male prostitutes" revelation we can safely ignore the pope till he dies. There is nothing worthwhile coming out of his crazy head at this point.

 
BurlyShirley

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Got real drunk at a conference last week and started popping off at the mouth about Jesus and all that around 4 am. Cant remember what started it or if it was just me being a know-it-all ass or whatever. Was talking at some guys who I didnt know, but who work for a potential employer and things got a little heated.

Memory is only short flashes, but I recall one of the guys praying right there on the spot and that god told him our conversation was over. Then I remember yelling at the sky, taunting god, etc. and laughing about how nothing would happen no matter what I did.
Long story short we had to be separated I guess.

The next day and now I still feel really bad about it. Not only did I break the no religion/politics rule of drinking, but I also probably made enemies of people who were, prior to that, pretty cool as far as I can tell. In the future I plan to not drink so much in mixed company and also not make light of anyone's religion under any circumstances.

I do remember being called Lucifer at one point, which may have set the whole thing off but Im really not sure. I know, Cool story bro.
 
KavuRider

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BurlyShirley said:
Got real drunk at a conference last week and started popping off at the mouth about Jesus and all that around 4 am. Cant remember what started it or if it was just me being a know-it-all ass or whatever. Was talking at some guys who I didnt know, but who work for a potential employer and things got a little heated.

Memory is only short flashes, but I recall one of the guys praying right there on the spot and that god told him our conversation was over. Then I remember yelling at the sky, taunting god, etc. and laughing about how nothing would happen no matter what I did.
Long story short we had to be separated I guess.

The next day and now I still feel really bad about it. Not only did I break the no religion/politics rule of drinking, but I also probably made enemies of people who were, prior to that, pretty cool as far as I can tell. In the future I plan to not drink so much in mixed company and also not make light of anyone's religion under any circumstances.

I do remember being called Lucifer at one point, which may have set the whole thing off but Im really not sure. I know, Cool story bro.
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You have some of the best stories on RM.
:rofl:
 
kidwoo

kidwoo

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BurlyShirley said:
Got real drunk at a conference last week and started popping off at the mouth about Jesus and all that around 4 am. Cant remember what started it or if it was just me being a know-it-all ass or whatever. Was talking at some guys who I didnt know, but who work for a potential employer and things got a little heated.

Memory is only short flashes, but I recall one of the guys praying right there on the spot and that god told him our conversation was over. Then I remember yelling at the sky, taunting god, etc. and laughing about how nothing would happen no matter what I did.
Long story short we had to be separated I guess.

The next day and now I still feel really bad about it. Not only did I break the no religion/politics rule of drinking, but I also probably made enemies of people who were, prior to that, pretty cool as far as I can tell. In the future I plan to not drink so much in mixed company and also not make light of anyone's religion under any circumstances.

I do remember being called Lucifer at one point, which may have set the whole thing off but Im really not sure. I know, Cool story bro.
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Well the story WAS cool until you got to your touchy feely apology crap.
 
DaveW

DaveW

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BurlyShirley said:
Never really understood the hatred for Jews/Judas etc. anyway.
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It's religion.... People with a brain are not supposed to understand it.
Religion is glib conflicting one liners for folks with a nano second attention span that wish to be unthinking sheeple.

So the fact that you don't understand the gibbering idiocy of it is really a good thing. :thumb: :)
 
Westy

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The last and only time I went to church was for my Grandmothers 90th birthday. I remember the sermon going on quite a bit about how Jews are sinners and are going to hell because they have not accepted the jesus as their saviors. I was pretty shocked. There was no mention of blame, hatred or violence but it seemed to lay the groundwork and give a wink/nudge towards some not so friendly feelings. I can't remember if it was Methodist, Presbyterian or something like that, they had a cross on the sign out front.
 
KavuRider

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Westy said:
The last and only time I went to church was for my Grandmothers 90th birthday. I remember the sermon going on quite a bit about how Jews are sinners and are going to hell because they have not accepted the jesus as their saviors. I was pretty shocked. There was no mention of blame, hatred or violence but it seemed to lay the groundwork and give a wink/nudge towards some not so friendly feelings. I can't remember if it was Methodist, Presbyterian or something like that, they had a cross on the sign out front.
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My last girlfriend ended up becoming "born again" and she went to a Southern Baptist church :panic: I went with her a few times, because I knew it meant a lot to her and I also was curious.
Wow...
Pretty much what you described. They had a guest preacher one time and it was full on TV-show evangelist. I was pretty uncomfortable with the whole thing. That and I was immediately singled out as "not belonging". It was a weird feeling.

And...later I find out that her church friends had been praying for us to split up because, since I was an atheist sinner, I was going to hell and they didn't want me to bring her down as well :think: Seriously...
 
Jim Mac

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KavuRider said:
My last girlfriend ended up becoming "born again" and she went to a Southern Baptist church :panic: I went with her a few times, because I knew it meant a lot to her and I also was curious.
Wow...
Pretty much what you described. They had a guest preacher one time and it was full on TV-show evangelist. I was pretty uncomfortable with the whole thing. That and I was immediately singled out as "not belonging". It was a weird feeling.

And...later I find out that her church friends had been praying for us to split up because, since I was an atheist sinner, I was going to hell and they didn't want me to bring her down as well :think: Seriously...
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Man, tell her and her friends to put this in their collective pipe and smoke it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/05/us/05bell.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=evangelical movement&st=cse

A new book by one of the country’s most influential evangelical pastors, challenging traditional Christian views of heaven, hell and eternal damnation, has created an uproar among evangelical leaders, with the most ancient of questions being argued in a biblical hailstorm of Twitter messages and blog posts.

n a book to be published this month, the pastor, Rob Bell, known for his provocative views and appeal among the young, describes as “misguided and toxic” the dogma that “a select few Christians will spend forever in a peaceful, joyous place called heaven, while the rest of humanity spends forever in torment and punishment in hell with no chance for anything better.”

Such statements are hardly radical among more liberal theologians, who for centuries have wrestled with the seeming contradiction between an all-loving God and the consignment of the billions of non-Christians to eternal suffering. But to traditionalists they border on heresy, and they have come just at a time when conservative evangelicals fear that a younger generation is straying from unbendable biblical truths.

Mr. Bell, 40, whose Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., has 10,000 members, is a Christian celebrity and something of a hipster in the pulpit, with engaging videos that sell by the hundreds of thousands and appearances to rapt, youthful crowds in rock-music arenas.

His book comes as the evangelical community has embraced the Internet and social media to a remarkable degree, so that a debate that once might have built over months in magazines and pulpits has instead erupted at electronic speed.

The furor was touched off last Saturday by a widely read Christian blogger, Justin Taylor, based on promotional summaries of the book and a video produced by Mr. Bell. In his blog, Between Two Worlds, Mr. Taylor said that the pastor “is moving farther and farther away from anything resembling biblical Christianity.”

“It is unspeakably sad when those called to be ministers of the Word distort the gospel and deceive the people of God with false doctrine,” wrote Mr. Taylor, who is vice president of Crossway, a Christian publisher in Wheaton, Ill.

By that same evening, “Rob Bell” was one of the top 10 trending topics on Twitter. Within 48 hours, Mr. Taylor’s original blog had been viewed 250,000 times. Dozens of other Christian leaders and bloggers jumped into the fray and thousands of their readers posted comments on both sides of the debate, though few had yet seen the entire book.

One leading evangelical, John Piper of Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, wrote, “Farewell Rob Bell.” R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said in a blog post that by suggesting that people who do not embrace Jesus may still be saved, Mr. Bell was at best toying with heresy. He called the promotional video, in which Mr. Bell pointedly asks whether it can be true that Gandhi, a non-Christian, is burning in hell, “the sad equivalent of a theological striptease.”

Others such as Scot McKnight, a professor of theology at North Park University in Chicago, said they welcomed the renewed discussion of one of the hardest issues in Christianity — can a loving God really be so wrathful toward people who faltered, or never were exposed to Jesus? In an interview and on his blog, he said that the thunder emanating from the right this week was not representative of American Christians, even evangelicals. According to surveys and his experience with students, Mr. McKnight said, a large majority of evangelical Christians “more or less believe that people of other faiths will go to heaven,” whatever their churches and theologians may argue.

“Rob Bell is tapping into a younger generation that really wants to open up these questions,” he said. “He is also tapping into the fear of the traditionalists — that these differing views of heaven and hell will compromise the Christian message.”

Mr. Bell, who through his publisher declined to comment on the book or the debate, has resisted labels, but he is often described as part of the so-called emerging church movement, which caters to younger believers and has challenged theological boundaries as well as pastoral involvement in conservative politics.

As the controversy exploded last week, HarperOne moved up to March 15 the publication date of Mr. Bell’s book, “Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived.”

Judging from an advance copy, the 200-page book is unlikely to assuage Mr. Bell’s critics. In an elliptical style, he throws out probing questions about traditional biblical interpretations, mixing real-life stories with scripture.

Much of the book is a sometimes obscure discussion of the meaning of heaven and hell that tears away at the standard ideas. In his version, heaven is something that begins here on earth, in a life of goodness, and hell seems more a condition than an eternal fate — “the very real consequences we experience when we reject all the good and true and beautiful life that God has for us.”

While sliding close to what critics consider the heresy of “universalism” — that all humans will eventually be saved — he never uses the term.

Mark Galli, senior managing editor of Christianity Today, called in an article on the magazine's Web site for all sides to temper their rhetoric and welcome more debate.

“We won’t be able to discern where the Spirit is leading if we don’t listen and respond respectfully to one another,” he wrote.

“God once used a donkey to make his will known,” he added, “so surely he is able to speak through both traditionalists and gadflies.”
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Andyman_1970

Andyman_1970

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KavuRider said:
And...later I find out that her church friends had been praying for us to split up because, since I was an atheist sinner, I was going to hell and they didn't want me to bring her down as well :think: Seriously...
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Not surprised at all. When I worked with the youth group at one of the SB churches I was a member of, I remember the youth pastor teaching on that the students shouldn't date those who aren't "saved". Even had the demonstration of a student standing on a chair and had another student stand next to the one on the chair. The object lesson was, it is easier to pull that person "up" or for them to pull you "down"..........:rolleyes:
 
SkaredShtles

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KavuRider said:
My last girlfriend ended up becoming "born again" and she went to a Southern Baptist church :panic: I went with her a few times, because I knew it meant a lot to her and I also was curious.
Wow...
Pretty much what you described. They had a guest preacher one time and it was full on TV-show evangelist. I was pretty uncomfortable with the whole thing. That and I was immediately singled out as "not belonging". It was a weird feeling.

And...later I find out that her church friends had been praying for us to split up because, since I was an atheist sinner, I was going to hell and they didn't want me to bring her down as well :think: Seriously...
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You really should have stood up during the sermon and made a scene. That would have been AWESOME.
 
Andyman_1970

Andyman_1970

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Jim Mac said:
Man, tell her and her friends to put this in their collective pipe and smoke it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/05/us/05bell.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=evangelical movement&st=cse
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I was wondering / hoping this would pop up on the PAWN.

I really like Rob, I've been listening to him since 2002 and have met him a few times. He inspired me to dive into the historical / contextual study of the Scriptures which pretty much shaped my faith journey and leaving the SB church.

I've been staying up to date on the sh!tstorm Rob's detractors have stirred up.
This has been my favorite commentary so far on it:
Beliefnet Blog

There is no meaner, more hateful person on Earth than a Christian who suspects you have gotten your theology wrong.
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Sadly I know this from direct experience.........

I've already had friends come up to me saying "OMG did you know Rob Bell is a Universalist?" with a concerned air thinking I too may have parktaken of the Kool Aid as well. I've been openly posting on my FB and such links about Rob's book in a effort see who'll turn on me.......I'm actually looking forward to it...........
 
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