Bush: Iraq Pullout Would Be Disastrous

MMike · Jun 3, 2004

Originally posted by Tenchiro
After all we wouldn't want to spill any of our fine American seamen on the belly of the middle East...

I had no idea the navy was involved....

Old_Dude · Jun 4, 2004

. . . disastrous if they took their troops out of Iraq

. . . so, is there any real evidence that Mr. Bush had a plan to deal with the "post attack" Iraq before we attacked them?

. . . similar question - is there any real evidence that any WMD existed before we attacked? After all, it's common knowledge how sophistocated our intelligence gathering methods are and the results they provide.

WMD - what a trigger-happy fool.

golgiaparatus · Jun 4, 2004

yep we want to make sure we knock Iraq up proper.

golgiaparatus · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by Old_Dude
. . . so, is there any real evidence that Mr. Bush had a plan to deal with the "post attack" Iraq before we attacked them?

. . . similar question - is there any real evidence that any WMD existed before we attacked? After all, it's common knowledge how sophistocated our intelligence gathering methods are and the results they provide.

WMD - what a trigger-happy fool.

Dont talk smack about "post attack Iraq" that would be whack jack!

LordOpie · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by Old_Dude
. . . similar question - is there any real evidence that any WMD existed before we attacked?

you either need to come to this forum more often or not at all. This has been discussed to death and there are absolute facts that Iraq did possess WMDs. It's all reported in UN and UNMOVIC reports.

golgiaparatus · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by LordOpie
there are absolute facts

Depends on who you are talking to wether they were absolute facts or absolute fiction.

LordOpie · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
Depends on who you are talking to wether they were absolute facts or absolute fiction.

EDIT: It's valid to argue whether there was enough cause to invade. It's valid to wonder how much they had at the time of invasion... there aren't enough facts. But anyone who says they didn't have any simply wasn't paying attention.

golgiaparatus · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by LordOpie

EDIT: It's valid to argue whether there was enough cause to invade. It's valid to wonder how much they had at the time of invasion... there aren't enough facts. But anyone who says they didn't have any simply wasn't paying attention.

I'm not arguing anything... just helping OD catch up thats all. I just said that the "facts" change depending on who you talk to and aint that the truth?

So I see your :rolleyes:

and raise you a :eviltongu

valve bouncer · Jun 4, 2004

Bush's comments have caused a sh*tstorm in Australia where they have been seen as largely an unwarranted intrusion in Australian domestic politics. Bush needs to remember 2 things before he goes of half cocked. One is that it is the Australian people who will decide whether or not our troops stay in Iraq or not, not him and secondly America has an alliance with ALL of Australia not just with the present right-wing government.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/04/1086203627641.html

fluff · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by LordOpie
you either need to come to this forum more often or not at all. This has been discussed to death and there are absolute facts that Iraq did possess WMDs. It's all reported in UN and UNMOVIC reports.

Oh brother....

Actually Bush is right, pulling out would be disastrous.

Sadly what he failed to realise two years ago is that invading was unnecessary.

Had he worked out the latter he wouldn't need to think about the former.

Perhaps Arbusto's WMD advent calendar is ten years out of date.

Old_Dude · Jun 4, 2004

. . . there are absolute facts that Iraq did possess WMDs

Oh, I have no doubt that's true - aren't the same people who put together the "facts" about who killed JFK providing the "facts" about the WMD? I think that's how it goes, so it's all gotta be true if the governement says so.

you either need to come to this forum more often or not at all.

Sounds to me like you have a whining problem. I read an article in Psychology Today about treatment for that sort of thing. Don't be ashamed - we all have some sort of problem(s). And be happy - recognition is the first step toward recovery!

Actually Bush is right, pulling out would be disastrous.

Now, to get serious . . . I think this is one point where we all agree (pulling out being disasterous). I still say sooner or later, it's going to be the same - what's gonna happen over there is gonna happen and nobody can prevent it whether it happens now or later. Let 'em fight it out - we did. Remember the Civil War? Hey, we got over it and so will they. And if they don't . . . oh well, so what? I say, let's save some American lives and get out NOW!!!

Isn't Iraq still the world's largest supplier of heroin or opium or something like that? Does anyone think that'll ever change? I used to think people weren't so naive, but . . . then I started hanging out here and . . . well, it's almost funny how blind some folks are.

WMD? Yeah, right.

Happy riding,

OD

LordOpie · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by Old_Dude
blah blah blah

hey Peter, don't you have some neighbors to annoy about a wolf?

LordOpie · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by fluff
Actually Bush is right, pulling out would be disastrous.

that's why I'd consider voting for him. I agree that pulling out now is a bad idea and am afraid that Kerry would knee-jerk the military out of there and fvck everything up.

Silver · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by LordOpie
you either need to come to this forum more often or not at all. This has been discussed to death and there are absolute facts that Iraq did possess WMDs. It's all reported in UN and UNMOVIC reports.

Of course he had WMDs, he was our "ally" in the region for a long time. I'm sure we helped him out quite a bit in that regard.

That wasn't what Bush and Rumsfeld and Rice and and Cheney and Powell were telling us though. Vast amounts of chemical and biological weapons, and a thriving, active nuclear program.

None of which appears to be true.

LordOpie · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by Silver
Of course he had WMDs...

I was addressing I_Diot's comment that there were none at all.

Do you think we should pull out?

Silver · Jun 4, 2004

Originally posted by LordOpie
I was addressing I_Diot's comment that there were none at all.

Do you think we should pull out?

I don't know. At this point, if we can't get the rest of the world involved (than means the UN...I know how you don't like them that much, but who else is going to do it?) I think the insurgency is going to get much worse. The longer we are there, the more we appear to be occupiers instead of liberators. (If we ever did appear to be liberators...and our opinion doesn't matter at this point, we're not the ones pointing RPG's at American troops.)

With Bush's excellent diplomatic skills, it should be a cinch to get the rest of the world interested in helping out, right?

LordOpie · Jun 5, 2004

Originally posted by Silver
I don't know. At this point, if we can't get the rest of the world involved (than means the UN...I know how you don't like them that much, but who else is going to do it?) I think the insurgency is going to get much worse. The longer we are there, the more we appear to be occupiers instead of liberators. (If we ever did appear to be liberators...and our opinion doesn't matter at this point, we're not the ones pointing RPG's at American troops.)

With Bush's excellent diplomatic skills, it should be a cinch to get the rest of the world interested in helping out, right?

I don't dislike the UN and I would like them involved. While they aren't as aggressive as I'd like, they did keep Iraq in check for 12 years.

But I hear ya and with Australia saying their leaving by the end of the year, Spain's out, other small countries leaving. It doesn't look good, but we started this mess and even if it costs more US troop lives, we have to leave the place better than we found it. If we split, they'd just turn into an Africa with gangs running the place

Do you think Kerry has better diplomatic skills? If Kerry doesn't announce a definitive and realistic plan, I'm gonna have to vote Bush

PS: No, I don't think we ever did appear as liberators.

Silver · Jun 5, 2004

Nader has better diplomatic skills than Bush. I'm 100% sure that Kerry will do a better job diplomatically than Bush has, if he gets the chance.

(This is another one of those places where Bush is so bad, almost anyone else would be better.)

valve bouncer · Jun 5, 2004

Originally posted by LordOpie

But I hear ya and with Australia saying their leaving by the end of the year, Spain's out, other small countries leaving. It doesn't look good, but we started this mess and even if it costs more US troop lives, we have to leave the place better than we found it. If we split, they'd just turn into an Africa with gangs running the place

Pay attention Loopie:angry:

...Australia are only pulling out if the governmnet changes after the election due in the next few months. The opposition has stated it will remove our troops if it wins the election (good chance at this stage). If Howard wins it's business as usual. That's why Australians were shocked at Bush's comments, they were seen as an attempt to influence the election- a big no-no in international relations, especially amongst allies.

fluff · Jun 6, 2004

valve bouncer said:
That's why Australians were shocked at Bush's comments, they were seen as an attempt to influence the election- a big no-no in international relations, especially amongst allies.

It's the same **** that's been going down for years, they've just stopped being covert about it now as we are all so cowed by the New World Order.

Bush: Iraq Pullout Would Be Disastrous

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