Bush is Number 1
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Not even Close!!!
One Name: Warren G Harding
And you can give a Whole bunch who were a lot worse Like , AndrewJohnson , James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce , you could probably even List Nixon and Carter as worse.
Carter was honest. Bush is not.
Agree with you there, he was far too Nice a Guy for the Job But he was a lousy president. ( not that Bush has been good )
Bush is definitely top 10 material, and likely even top 5.
What specifically did those others do or have happen on their watch that was worse than the last 8 years?
Buchanan - failed to avert the Civil War (agreed, he's the worst)
Pierce - politically an idiot, contributed to Buchanan's failure, but nope, don't see anything there as bad as Bush.
Johnson - not elected so hard to count him, but... mishandled reconstruction, blatant racist. I still don't see anything as bad as Bush. Maybe if he'd gotten the same 8 years.
edit - forgot to address Harding - handed government over to big business, except he managed to not collapse the economy or get us embroiled in several international wars. So exactly like Bush, except better.
So you're somewhat right. Bush has not (yet) caused us to break out in civil war, though he is verging on destruction of our economy, social fabric and constitution. He's the second worst president in history but gaining on the homestretch.
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Harding pardoned Eugene Debs, Bush pardoned a coke trafficking rapper
As for harm done on an international scale, Reagan easily takes the prize
That sounds about spot-on Splat!
Not that Bushy is any good, but he really has nothing to do with how our economy is. Greedy wall street scumbags outsourcing everything that they can, are.
The war is all his, but he's not exactly the first Pres to give us one of those either..
Bush is like the James Polk of our generation, as far as illegitimate wars go at least.
So much for personal responsibility or accountability, eh comrade?
The buck stops.... over there!
picked up Presidential Leadership: Rating the Best and the Worst in the White House last Christmas, which gave great detail in their rankings, which was garnered from a vast pool of informed sources across the spectrum.
even the most ardent leftists don't put dubya at the bottom; not even in the bottom 5. he is, at best, an avg president that has hopes of being lauded as a great leader in decades to come (kinda like ronaldo maximus).
...not by anyone here, natch
even the most ardent leftists don't put dubya at the bottom; not even in the bottom 5. he is, at best, an avg president that has hopes of being lauded as a great leader in decades to come (kinda like ronaldo maximus).
...not by anyone here, natch
Well there are two things that Bush had a hand in, deregulation and getting involved with two wars.
I don't think Bush is totally to blame for the deregulation. Part of it is Clinton's fault, a lot was the Republican Congress. But Bush didn't stop it either.
The wars are his fault, and we will have to pay the bill.
There was way more criminal corruption under Harding, but there is a lot of backroom dealing going on with the Bush Administration.
And when the war crimes and privacy violations come out after Jan 20th, Bush will look even worse.
There was also no horrendous foreign affairs mistakes under Harding.
How can you be a conservative and complain about outsourcing?
Come on, corporations are free to do as they please right, at least stick to your guns!
Come on, corporations are free to do as they please right, at least stick to your guns!
Bush was nothing more than a blatant pawn of two major controlling interests, monolithic MNC's and fvcked up foreign policymakers with whacked worldviews. Sometimes one and the same. Greedy Wall Street scumbags are the ones you're always cheering for in all these threads, anyway...they essentially ARE American politics right now...they just have slightly less control of one party. I'd definitely call him the worst president of the past 100 years. He definitely gave the steering wheel a very solid yank.
At this point, I'm hating the player and the game. And probably you.
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Bush playing up his legacy is akin to Jenna Jameson playing up her temperance and chastity.
What, none of you dicks can have a friendly debate without making it personal? Ok, no prob..
I've owned a manufacturing company for 8 1/2 years now, and I've seen how outsourcing has hurt the economy first hand. I'm betting that 90% of you are sitting in a cubicle on someone elses' clock but you all seem to know more than I do...
Every one of my customers are slow, & 2 have gone out of business already. It's going to get worse before it gets better. How many of you clowns will be unemployed within the next year? Yet you'd rather argue than look around... It won't matter until your little corner of the universe is screwed will it?
For over a year, the news media has been saying the economy was ok. but just yesterday, they came out & said the recession has been going on for over a year. A year ago you itiots were all arguing with me saying no-way are we in a recession.. You clowns knew so much then too, eh?
We live in a nation of people that doesn't like to get their hands dirty, so nobody even values our industry anymore. But our industy got us through WW2, and nobody even remembers that... It won't happen again because the factories just don't exist anymore.
It's a beautiful day so, I'm going riding while you dicks are cooped up in your little cubicles.
Enjoy & F-off!
I've owned a manufacturing company for 8 1/2 years now, and I've seen how outsourcing has hurt the economy first hand. I'm betting that 90% of you are sitting in a cubicle on someone elses' clock but you all seem to know more than I do...
Every one of my customers are slow, & 2 have gone out of business already. It's going to get worse before it gets better. How many of you clowns will be unemployed within the next year? Yet you'd rather argue than look around... It won't matter until your little corner of the universe is screwed will it?
For over a year, the news media has been saying the economy was ok. but just yesterday, they came out & said the recession has been going on for over a year. A year ago you itiots were all arguing with me saying no-way are we in a recession.. You clowns knew so much then too, eh?
We live in a nation of people that doesn't like to get their hands dirty, so nobody even values our industry anymore. But our industy got us through WW2, and nobody even remembers that... It won't happen again because the factories just don't exist anymore.
The feeling is mutual ****head, open your eyes & close your ass.. This **** has been going on for way longer than 8 years..
It's a beautiful day so, I'm going riding while you dicks are cooped up in your little cubicles.
Enjoy & F-off!
You have to be the most polar thinker of all time.
You're telling me it's a stretch for you to envision pro-US protectionist policies from a certain strain of [paleo-, perhaps] conservative?
The recent years have furthered the deep divisions between, say, the Pat Buchanans and the Bill Kristols of the world...
Aside from all the crotchety "you kids don't know nothin'" talk which is entirely irrelevent, the above statement couldn't be more ludicrous. The media and everyone in this forum has been warning of a growing housing bubble and impending crash for at least a year (though none of us knew how severe the repercussions would be), while your president Bush and your candidate McCain kept repeating the economy was strong.
You've been promoting free-market in the form of turning over government work to private corporations (which is not what free-market is supposed to mean) since you got on this board, but suddenly you've found Jesus.
You've got a blindfold on, but if you keep swinging that stick eventually you'll hit the pinata.
Naw.
We live in a nation in which it's increasingly difficult to find and hold hold a job in which one gets one's hands dirty.
You see, that's why I voted for Obama.
So what kind of manufacturing do you do?
He's in the bull$hit business...
You really expect to be taken seriously when you say stupid shlt like this?
fox news, the bush administration and n8 were the only ones touting a strong economy. In fact most of the people whom your coming down on now have all been saying the exact opposite.
Dumbass.
Correction, we live in a nation that is run by people who would rather exploit the vulnerable third world for cheap wage slavery than allow American's to get their hands dirty.
Metal fabrication, & welding.
The biggest ****heads on this board are all worked up, Mission accomplished.
For what industry por favor?
I do parts for portable a.c. units, Gm, Top-fuel racing transmission parts, chastity belts, trailers, railings & parts for the solar industry. & mtn bikes too.
Back on Subject ,
I just did a quick seach on list of worst us president,
and found some intersting lists.
I tried to list ones here that included Dubya ( quite a a few list don't include Dubya, Clinton, or George the 1st for valid reason ) and also ones that were not just 1 Persons opinion because those are just all over the map. ( I particullay like the one that Had Dubya as the worst Nixon as 2nd worst and Reagan 3 to worst and JFK as the Greatest , and Bill Clinton as #4 )
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/worstpresidents/
http://listverse.com/politics/top-10-worst-us-presidents/
This is the only one that has bush in the top 10
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5029204.ece
the Approval ranting since 1950 was quite interesting on this one.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/presrankings1.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/592311/five_worst_presidents_of_the_united.html?cat=37
I just did a quick seach on list of worst us president,
and found some intersting lists.
I tried to list ones here that included Dubya ( quite a a few list don't include Dubya, Clinton, or George the 1st for valid reason ) and also ones that were not just 1 Persons opinion because those are just all over the map. ( I particullay like the one that Had Dubya as the worst Nixon as 2nd worst and Reagan 3 to worst and JFK as the Greatest , and Bill Clinton as #4 )
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/worstpresidents/
http://listverse.com/politics/top-10-worst-us-presidents/
This is the only one that has bush in the top 10
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5029204.ece
the Approval ranting since 1950 was quite interesting on this one.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/presrankings1.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/592311/five_worst_presidents_of_the_united.html?cat=37
that 'exploitation' is driven by basic capitalist tenets: produce a product as cheaply as possible and still meets market demands.
'vulnerable' is an interesting word choice.
Some of these polls have weighed Bush's failures less since many of them are current.
I bet the next polling will have Bush in the top 3 every time.
What? He put the U.S into 2 wars that can't be won, put the economy down the ****ter, and caused international incidents by violating the sovereignty of multiple states.
1: so what would you call iraq now? detente? can you even wage war against an ideology? (yes, i admit "war on terror" does seem silly)
2: it's been well established the major downfall of our economy is greed, which neither gore nor kerry would have been able to thwart
3: whatever sovereignty iraq had left after violating u.n trea.........aw hell, that nigga had it coming for what he did to shrub's dad
maybe , time will tell, that is why a Bunch of the polls , did not rate Dubya, Clinton or George the first, not enough time has past to be able to really determine how bad he messed up the country. hence also making that declaration right now kind of makes you look like a dumbass.
who knows 20 years from now he might be credited for bring peace to the middle east ( really really really doubtful) , or more likely be credited with starting up the crusades again.