[ALEXIS_DH]

so, i came accross this in my cable-guide-magazine editorial, written by a national writer. which i´ll take the work to translate, with all the slang and his conversational style, and according the lack of political correctness in SA press and society.

i thought it was a neat rant.


I dont in which book Bertolt Brecht, referring to the triumph of the Nazis in the german elections, give the main character this line: "Yes I already know. Our people are stupid. Our people are ignorant. Alright.... Lets call for a general election to call another people"

GWB won the election of the US with a 4 million votes advantages (which aint no little turkey crap). And there is nothing to do. Its been the victory of the paranoia and fear. Bush´s voters have made the bet for their security... for their security??.. wasnt it clear iraq had no WMD??? or that there were no Bin Laden-Saddam terrorism links??? dont those voters know the rest of the world hates-rejects the invasion??.

The lies of GWB have been pointed, with marks and tattoos by the washington post and the new york times. But Bush´s voters are not exactly the readers of the NYT or TWP (newspapers of commies and jews for those social blocks).

Half US-ers and a bit more, still supports the barbarism. It was the same with the Vietnam war. Richard Nixon made up by that time a nickname for that conformist majority. the Silent Majority. Am not talking about the CEOs of international oil corporations, military generals or conservative politicians. They, of course, know what interests they are defending. Am talking about the common citizen. whats their profile???

One must keep in mind that not all "gringos" are readers of Hemingway or Faulkner nor they live in cities like New York or San Francisco. A good chunk of the population belongs to the deep United States. They are the millions that get moved to tears by the people in costumes in the parades singing the national anthem in DisneyLand. Ignorant and simple small town folks who read their local newspaper, if they read any newspaper. Whose horizon doesnt trespass the borders of the state where they were born. A lot of whom, dont even know the sea. The very same social block from which groups like the KKK was invented.

Those who, victims of paranoia after the awful september 11, started seeing terrorist even in their soup. Incapable of distinguishing between a hindu, an arab, an moustached mexican started throwing sticks at whoever was different. 100% pure paranoia.

Paranoia is also, a matter of state. Ideal to manipulate the simple. Innocent, maybe because of their ignorance but, and i say it without any bad intention, poor suckers in the end.

 

[N8 v2.0]

so, i came accross this in my cable-guide-magazine editorial, written by a national writer. which i´ll take the work to translate, with all the slang and his conversational style, and according the lack of political correctness in SA press and society.

i thought it was a neat rant.


I dont in which book Bertolt Brecht, referring to the triumph of the Nazis in the german elections, give the main character this line: "Yes I already know. Our people are stupid. Our people are ignorant. Alright.... Lets call for a general election to call another people"

GWB won the election of the US with a 4 million votes advantages (which aint no little turkey crap). And there is nothing to do. Its been the victory of the paranoia and fear. Bush´s voters have made the bet for their security... for their security??.. wasnt it clear iraq had no WMD??? or that there were no Bin Laden-Saddam terrorism links??? dont those voters know the rest of the world hates-rejects the invasion??.

The lies of GWB have been pointed, with marks and tattoos by the washington post and the new york times. But Bush´s voters are not exactly the readers of the NYT or TWP (newspapers of commies and jews for those social blocks).

Half US-ers and a bit more, still supports the barbarism. It was the same with the Vietnam war. Richard Nixon made up by that time a nickname for that conformist majority. the Silent Majority. Am not talking about the CEOs of international oil corporations, military generals or conservative politicians. They, of course, know what interests they are defending. Am talking about the common citizen. whats their profile???

One must keep in mind that not all "gringos" are readers of Hemingway or Faulkner nor they live in cities like New York or San Francisco. A good chunk of the population belongs to the deep United States. They are the millions that get moved to tears by the people in costumes in the parades singing the national anthem in DisneyLand. Ignorant and simple small town folks who read their local newspaper, if they read any newspaper. Whose horizon doesnt trespass the borders of the state where they were born. A lot of whom, dont even know the sea. The very same social block from which groups like the KKK was invented.

Those who, victims of paranoia after the awful september 11, started seeing terrorist even in their soup. Incapable of distinguishing between a hindu, an arab, an moustached mexican started throwing sticks at whoever was different. 100% pure paranoia.

Paranoia is also, a matter of state. Ideal to manipulate the simple. Innocent, maybe because of their ignorance but, and i say it without any bad intention, poor suckers in the end.

So.... you are illiterate in two languages?

 

[valve bouncer]

How many languages do you speak N8?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Sounds like the same crap from some US editorials. Peruvians are obviously equally talentless in the field of political commentary.

 

[Changleen]

Sounds like the same crap from some US editorials. Peruvians are obviously equally talentless in the field of political commentary.

One day Bush voters might figure out why the rest of the world and half of America thinks they are all mindless assholes.

 

[BurlyShirley]

One day Bush voters might figure out why the rest of the world and half of America thinks they are all mindless assholes.

One day the rest of the world will realize that Americans dont give a rats ass and will do things their own way as they always have. Maybe they already realize that, but they're just bitching. Oh, boo hoo. I could give a **** what Peru thinks, honestly.

 

[Changleen]

One day the rest of the world will realize that Americans dont give a rats ass and will do things their own way as they always have. Maybe they already realize that, but they're just bitching. Oh, boo hoo. I could give a **** what Peru thinks, honestly.

One day your ignorant insularity will ensure your children live in a state much like Zimbabwe is now. While APEC, Europe, China and India all work together towards common goals the US can sit in it's little corner and ignore the rest of the world that it cares so little for and rot like the backwards retard you are.

 

[BurlyShirley]

One day your ignorant insularity will ensure your children live in a state much like Zimbabwe is now. While APEC, Europe, China and India all work together towards common goals the US can sit in it's little corner and ignore the rest of the world that it cares so little for and rot like the backwards retard you are.

yeah right. we just stole a bunch of oil and got away with it. plus we can take canada anytime we want. the US is set for the next century.

 

[Changleen]

yeah right. we just stole a bunch of oil and got away with it. plus we can take canada anytime we want. the US is set for the next century.

Yeah! Oil - fuel of the future!

 

[TheInedibleHulk]

yeah right. we just stole a bunch of oil and got away with it. plus we can take canada anytime we want. the US is set for the next century.

Its good to know with Burly's party in charge we can always count on invading and robbing other nations for the security of our future.

 

[-dustin]

after robbing them, i say we nuke them. population control.

 

[mr.terrible]

One day the rest of the world will realize that Americans dont give a rats ass and will do things their own way as they always have. Maybe they already realize that, but they're just bitching. Oh, boo hoo. I could give a **** what Peru thinks, honestly.

This is the root for hatred and terrorism towards the USA which is full of people like you. I hope the golden days of the Cold War come back as soon as possible . They were the safest times this world has ever seen.

 

[fluff]

the US is set for the next century.

Don't be so sure, the US is currently pursuing a non-sustainable policy economically and whilst Spain maintained an Empire via plunder and robbery they at least got more back than they invested, unlike the US is now.

There is a large school of thought that saw the US as an Empire in decline during Clinton's administration, that decline has been accelerated since the US embraced a policy of pre-emptive strikes. Interesting that the dollar is hitting such lows, n'est pas?

 

[Changleen]

Don't be so sure, the US is currently pursuing a non-sustainable policy economically

and politically, and environmentally.

 

[Echo]

This is the root for hatred and terrorism towards the USA which is full of people like you.

Obviously you can't recognize sarcasm. But your statement is so completely out of touch, it doesn't surprise me that the obvious evades your vision.

 

[Jr_Bullit]

This is the root for hatred and terrorism towards the USA which is full of people like you. I hope the golden days of the Cold War come back as soon as possible . They were the safest times this world has ever seen.

Yesterday's articles about Russia developing a new Nuclear missile with technology above and beyond any other nuclear-armed nation may just lead us back to those days...but then again, as Bush said, he's too good of a buddy to Putin for there to be any threat.

 

[DRB]

One day your ignorant insularity will ensure your children live in a state much like Zimbabwe is now. While APEC, Europe, China and India all work together towards common goals the US can sit in it's little corner and ignore the rest of the world that it cares so little for and rot like the backwards retard you are.

They are doing such a fine job with Iran right now.

 

[fluff]

Obviously you can't recognize sarcasm. But your statement is so completely out of touch, it doesn't surprise me that the obvious evades your vision.

To be fair sarcasm is notoriously difficult to recognise in the written form.

 

[Echo]

To be fair sarcasm is notoriously difficult to recognise in the written form.

True, but I don't think I've ever seen sarcasm as obvious as Burly's. Some people are just too damn sensitive.

 

[fluff]

True, but I don't think I've ever seen sarcasm as obvious as Burly's. Some people are just too damn sensitive.

I'm a bit worried that he's not being as sarcastic as you think he is. If you see what I mean... I hope he is though.

 

[mr.terrible]

Obviously you can't recognize sarcasm. But your statement is so completely out of touch, it doesn't surprise me that the obvious evades your vision.

I was trying to be sarcastic(and provocative) myself, but obviously I didn't succeed. I believe that the part about the root of hatred is partially true though. The statement about the Cold War was intended to be full on sarcastic.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

One day the rest of the world will realize that Americans dont give a rats ass and will do things their own way as they always have. Maybe they already realize that, but they're just bitching. Oh, boo hoo. I could give a **** what Peru thinks, honestly.

the rest of the world knows the US doesnt give a rats ass. do not start a game theory here.

and that is not the common perseption of Peru, that is the perseption on moderate segments who read a light magazine like the cableguide.

the blocks of simple smal town peruvians (and most southamericans i´d dare to say), is to hate the US plain and simple.

The pre-US colonies complained about the taxation without representation.... isnt the same happening right now with the US and underdeveloped nations?? upon which the US rules and taxes, but such nations got no representation??? or when you make disposition of their stuff as yours when needed even if it requires invasions, or trade illegal moves???
isnt adding insult to injury say "we dont give a rat ass about their opinion", when they are as much as political figures as the average US-er, and will take up the ass whatever meassure the white house takes???

is that feeling in which the ideas of independance of revolution arised in the US. there is no political indepedance to be gained now for underdeveloped nations (half the world, which it ain no rat ass either), as we already got a rethorical one, but hey!, if you want the game to be played by those rules, dont whine when a plane crashes some building, because thats the knee jerk reaction by those feeling themselves affected by white house resolutions in the first place, and its their way of saying... so you dont give a rats ass??? maybe you´ll hear this, booom!!

 

[PonySoldier]

....US embraced a policy of pre-emptive strikes....
Fluff

And ably supported in these endeavors by the Puppet Regime at 10 Downing Street.

 

[Changleen]

But your statement is so completely out of touch, it doesn't surprise me that the obvious evades your vision.

Wrong.

 

[Changleen]

They are doing such a fine job with Iran right now.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=124184694&p=yz4y854xx
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=US Iran

The Bush administration is not considering talks with Iran on developing nuclear weapons even though Secretary of State Colin Powell will attend a conference next week with diplomats from Iran and other countries.

Britain, France and Germany have struck a deal with Iran that is designed to stop the nuclear enrichment program. If the United States does not join in the agreement, "the deal is dead," he said. "Only the U.S. can give Iran the security guarantees it needs," Cirincione said.

Insularity strikes again.

 

[Changleen]

....US embraced a policy of pre-emptive strikes....
Fluff

And ably supported in these endeavors by the Puppet Regime at 10 Downing Street.

Sadly true. Hopefully tempered.

 

[Echo]

Wrong.

You should just once consider the notion that just maybe everyone who thinks differently than you isn't "wrong".

Maybe we should just give you and N8 your own forum, he can post news stories and you can blather about conspiracies, and the rest of us here can acutally discuss things like adults.

 

[Changleen]

You should just once consider the notion that just maybe everyone who thinks differently than you isn't "wrong".

Maybe we should just give you and N8 your own forum, he can post news stories and you can blather about conspiracies, and the rest of us here can acutally discuss things like adults.

Sorry, but Burlys 'Patriotic outburst' and Mr. Terribles' subsequent retort do represent what a good portion of the world thinks about the US right now, like it or not. Your suggestion otherwise, is 'wrong' - it is not true.

 

[Changleen]

True, but I don't think I've ever seen sarcasm as obvious as Burly's. Some people are just too damn sensitive.

I think you're wrong about that, too. Burly has become increasing beligerent since Nov 3.

 

[DRB]

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=124184694&p=yz4y854xx
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=US Iran

Insularity strikes again.

Later in the same article....

"We have seen this thing before," Ereli said. "They (the Iranians) have had a deal with the European Union to suspend enrichment. They broke it."

There is no ramifications for not following any deals. Iran has consistently ignored requests from the IAEA in regards to access to their facilities. The EU should just go dig up Neville and cut him loose to do all their negotiations.

And do you honestly believe that they have stopped anything? Or would if the US made any guarantees.

 

[DRB]

Sorry, but Burlys 'Patriotic outburst'

Hold it down pot, folks are trying to sleep.

 

[DRB]

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=124184694&p=yz4y854xx
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=US Iran



Insularity strikes again.

Oh so its the US's fault....

But on Friday the diplomats told The Associated Press that Iranian officials had presented British, French and German envoys in Tehran with a version of the agreement that was unacceptable to the three European powers.

The key dispute was over conversion of uranium into gas, which when spun in centrifuges can be enriched to lower levels for producing electricity or processed into high-level, weapons-grade uranium, said the diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"The processing of what is to be enriched is the main problem," said the diplomat.

The diplomats — all of them briefed on the dispute and based in Vienna or other European capitals — said Iran was insisting that the deal allowed it to process uranium into a precursor of uranium hexafluoride, the gas introduced into centrifuges for enrichment. The diplomats said that was not allowed under the tentative deal reached in Paris.

 

[Changleen]

And do you honestly believe that they have stopped anything? Or would if the US made any guarantees.

Do you believe Iran has the right to have nuclear power?

 

[Changleen]

Oh so its the US's fault....

Well, Euroland worked a deal, needed the US to come in on it to make it work, but the US aren't interested. Anyway, who cares - the core of the issue here is other countries deciding if Iran should be allowed nuclear power or not. The reason this is so dificult is that there is such a fine line between power and weapons capability.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Well, Euroland worked a deal, needed the US to come in on it to make it work, but the US aren't interested. Anyway, who cares - the core of the issue here is other countries deciding if Iran should be allowed nuclear power or not. The reason this is so dificult is that there is such a fine line between power and weapons capability.

IMO, Iran like any other nation should have the right to have nukes. and IMO no other single nation has the right to take out this right from iran. BUT i believe a multilateral veto power for IRAN, like a UN resolution.

 

[DRB]

Well, Euroland worked a deal, needed the US to come in on it to make it work, but the US aren't interested. Anyway, who cares - the core of the issue here is other countries deciding if Iran should be allowed nuclear power or not. The reason this is so dificult is that there is such a fine line between power and weapons capability.

I didn't see in any of the articles you posted or where I read that any one INVOLVED with the process said that anything was needed from the US. The only person I saw saying that was ASSOCIATES with a variety of endowments and fellowships that have f' all to do with any of it. The US said, in one of the articles you posted,

"We are not trying to block them. That's fine. Let's see if it works."

Any way What do they need from the US? What possibly could the US say or do that is going to make this deal workable? You need a security guarntee here it is.... Oh we won't decide to level your nuclear facilities at a later date. Does our word all of a sudden mean so much to the Muslim world? Come on its a load of crap and you know it. The deal won't work because they don't want it to work.

As to your other question Do you believe Iran has the right to have nuclear power? Yeah why not. But more importantly why do they need it? The answer is they don't need nuclear power. They sit on a huge oil reserve that could provide them with electricity from now until the cows come home. Quit selling it and start using it for themselves.

Furthermore they certainly don't need to process their own fuel when Europe is tripping all over itself to provide it to them. But Hey what the hell let'em as far as I'm concerned. I'm even willing to let them let that one bomb get out that takes out some US target before doing anything about it.

But, don't come looking for sympathy or mercy or even waste your breath with a single excuse when your country gets turned into one big sheet of atomic glass.

 

[Changleen]

As to your other question Do you believe Iran has the right to have nuclear power? Yeah why not. But more importantly why do they need it? The answer is they don't need nuclear power. They sit on a huge oil reserve that could provide them with electricity from now until the cows come home. Quit selling it and start using it for themselves.

What if they don't want to pollute the **** out of their country and the world? Who is America to tell them which energy sources they should use?

Furthermore they certainly don't need to process their own fuel when Europe is tripping all over itself to provide it to them. But Hey what the hell let'em as far as I'm concerned. I'm even willing to let them let that one bomb get out that takes out some US target before doing anything about it.

Another assumtion which is widespread in the US - As soon as a Muslim country has the bomb, they will use it. Actually only one country has ever deployed it Nuclear arsenal...

 

[DRB]

What if they don't want to pollute the **** out of their country and the world? Who is America to tell them which energy sources they should use?

Hey clean the wool out of your eyes. I said I could give a crap that they have it. And how quickly you forget that no one is saying that they can't have nuclear power. The Europeans, the UN and the IAEA don't want them processing their own fuel, which as you pointed is such a fine line between fuel processing and weapons processing. Again they are all tripping over themselves to get to provide fuel for them.

As for pollution? Oh nuclear power is oh so clean with no by products that we have to worry about for what 100000 years? What a pathetic arguement. The country you live in won't even touch nuclear power and relies on very clean burning efficient oil buring power plants.

Another assumtion which is widespread in the US - As soon as a Muslim country has the bomb, they will use it. Actually only one country has ever deployed it Nuclear arsenal...

What I said that if it did get out, it would be their bad and they would live or die with the consequences. As for that majority assumption that you claim exists, why should US citizens think any differently? We get called the great Satan and are the focus of every bit of Muslim anger in the world. Why is it not a reasonable expectation that if they get a bomb they wouldn't use it against the infidels, the invaders of their lands, the defilers of their sacred sites...

And just in case you didn't see this part in my first post, I'll post it again...

I didn't see in any of the articles you posted or where I read that any one INVOLVED with the process said that anything was needed from the US. The only person I saw saying that was ASSOCIATES with a variety of endowments and fellowships that have f' all to do with any of it. The US said, in one of the articles you posted,

Quote:
"We are not trying to block them. That's fine. Let's see if it works."

Any way What do they need from the US? What possibly could the US say or do that is going to make this deal workable? You need a security guarntee here it is.... Oh we won't decide to level your nuclear facilities at a later date. Does our word all of a sudden mean so much to the Muslim world? Come on its a load of crap and you know it. The deal won't work because they don't want it to work.

 

[Changleen]

Hey clean the wool out of your eyes. I said I could give a crap that they have it. And how quickly you forget that no one is saying that they can't have nuclear power. The Europeans, the UN and the IAEA don't want them processing their own fuel, which as you pointed is such a fine line between fuel processing and weapons processing. Again they are all tripping over themselves to get to provide fuel for them.

Good - Fine.

As for pollution? Oh nuclear power is oh so clean with no by products that we have to worry about for what 100000 years? What a pathetic arguement. The country you live in won't even touch nuclear power and relies on very clean burning efficient oil buring power plants.

Burning Oil for power produces a very different type of polution than nuclear plants. One is carried out in barrels and can be carefully and safely disposed of, and the other is released into the atmosphere and causes acid rain, the greenhouse effect, increased chances of respiritory illness and so on. And actually we get around 65% of our power from clean, renewable sources.

Anyway we're getting totally off the point.

What I said that if it did get out, it would be their bad and they would live or die with the consequences. As for that majority assumption that you claim exists, why should US citizens think any differently? We get called the great Satan and are the focus of every bit of Muslim anger in the world. Why is it not a reasonable expectation that if they get a bomb they wouldn't use it against the infidels, the invaders of their lands, the defilers of their sacred sites...

Because they're not complete psychos? Anyway, how would they deliver it to the US for a start?

And just in case you didn't see this part in my first post, I'll post it again...

Your point was right - I think the security guarantee was the main part. Anyway, it appears that those hurdles have been overcome now: http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1355705,00.html

Buried under an avalanche of events as the world adjusts to George Bush's second term, Palestine without Arafat, and mayhem in Iraq, there was some rare, and important, good news this week: Europeans, acting together, and largely ignoring American wishes, persuaded Iran to stop processing uranium, a key stage in the production of nuclear weapons.

 

[DRB]

Because they're not complete psychos? Anyway, how would they deliver it to the US for a start?

You say they aren't. A hundred ways. In a container, via ship thru any number of smaller ports. Hell toss the thing off the side and float it to a beach. In pieces brought across the US-Canadian border, the US-Mexican border. Build 6 bombs and attempt to bring 'em in six different ways. One would make it.

Your point was right - I think the security guarantee was the main part. Anyway, it appears that those hurdles have been overcome now: http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1355705,00.html

I'm hoping that's a typo. Because even with this most recent article I'm seeing nowhere where any sort of security guarantee was being talked about was required or expected.

Do you actually read anything other than what you post? I posted this once already today.

But on Friday the diplomats told The Associated Press that Iranian officials had presented British, French and German envoys in Tehran with a version of the agreement that was unacceptable to the three European powers.

The key dispute was over conversion of uranium into gas, which when spun in centrifuges can be enriched to lower levels for producing electricity or processed into high-level, weapons-grade uranium, said the diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"The processing of what is to be enriched is the main problem," said the diplomat.

The diplomats — all of them briefed on the dispute and based in Vienna or other European capitals — said Iran was insisting that the deal allowed it to process uranium into a precursor of uranium hexafluoride, the gas introduced into centrifuges for enrichment. The diplomats said that was not allowed under the tentative deal reached in Paris.

And reported even later today....

Iran notified the International Atomic Energy Agency -- the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog -- of the UF-6 production just days before the nation's agreement to freeze all uranium enrichment activities goes into effect Monday.

All of this is reported by the AP.