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dan-o

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Jun 30, 2004
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I have never heard this, huh.


I just paid $0.20 less per gallon for diesel last week. That is certainly subject to change, YMMV, and all that.
The responding FD guys mentioned the tendency to become infernos.
I'd heard about it in passing before but, having had several vehicles go up in flames over the past 35yrs of driving, didn't give it much weight.
That truck had 380k on it when it lit up.

What kills you on modern diesel ownership is repairs out of warranty.
That sprinter looks old enough to hopefully predate most of the emissions fuckery that drove me away from owning another diesel.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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Also, rofl @ step 1 of the maintenance procedure for a good number of Ford diesels requiring removal of the cab.
I used to think that way too until I witnessed how genius that is.
Quick process and unlimited access to whatever needs attention.
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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That sprinter looks old enough to hopefully predate most of the emissions fuckery that drove me away from owning another diesel.
It is in fact exactly this. I wanna say it's a 2005? Maybe 2006? But yeah, a T1N model i.e. 1st gen Sprinter... no Bluetec or DEF or any of that nonsense. Very mechanical, not a lot of electronical wizardry. Most/all of it's major shit has already happened, probably. It's been taken care of first as a wine delivery vehicle for a vinyard in the PNW and then as a mechnic-owned campervan who is a friend of a friend.
 

dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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It is in fact exactly this. I wanna say it's a 2005? Maybe 2006? But yeah, a T1N model i.e. 1st gen Sprinter... no Bluetec or DEF or any of that nonsense. Very mechanical, not a lot of electronical wizardry. Most/all of it's major shit has already happened, probably. It's been taken care of first as a wine delivery vehicle for a vinyard in the PNW and then as a mechnic-owned campervan who is a friend of a friend.
2007 was when the emissions hammer dropped. That’s a great motor, I put a lot of miles on that gen while living in Europe.
Biggest issue is rust but probably less so out your way.
 

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
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Our 2015 Sprinter is the 4 cylinder turbo diesel. A little over 80K miles and no problems so far. We've got the diesel hydronic heater/on-demand hot water set-up too, and again, no issues so far. From what I've seen you can find an opinion (and usually data) to support whatever position you want to take on the motor. Pros and cons no matter what you do, so its kind of a crap shoot. If looking at used vehicles I'm not sure I'd let the motor type push me away from what is otherwise a good deal. It's obviously important but you can get a turd or a jewel regardless.

However, I tend to agree that 4X4 is pretty much a requirement if you plan to be in the snow fairly often. And it's nice to have even for chill dirt roads in the summertime and other gentle off-road stuff. (We're pretty much fair weather only, and I still wish ours was a 4X4 sometimes.)
 

Adventurous

Starshine Bro
Mar 19, 2014
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Crawlorado
It is in fact exactly this. I wanna say it's a 2005? Maybe 2006? But yeah, a T1N model i.e. 1st gen Sprinter... no Bluetec or DEF or any of that nonsense. Very mechanical, not a lot of electronical wizardry. Most/all of it's major shit has already happened, probably. It's been taken care of first as a wine delivery vehicle for a vinyard in the PNW and then as a mechnic-owned campervan who is a friend of a friend.
Who was it that posted the link to an in-depth analysis of how the oil spec for the diesel Sprinters leads to its demise...@Jozz?
 

eric strt6

Resident Curmudgeon
Sep 8, 2001
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Just from my little slice of the world of the fire department. The only Diesel car or pickup I saw on fire in 12 years was an arson job. Diesel is really hard to ignite, something else has to be burning hot first Like electrical starting insulation on fire which ignites plastic which is hot enough to get diesel to burn if the fuel tank is ruptured. Now once it gets going it is a bitch to put out. you need lots of foam. Vehicle fires in gas engine equipped are really common and are almost always a total loss as they burn fast and hot and only need a spark to ignite
 

Adventurous

Starshine Bro
Mar 19, 2014
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Just from my little slice of the world of the fire department. The only Diesel car or pickup I saw on fire in 12 years was an arson job. Diesel is really hard to ignite, something else has to be burning hot first Like electrical starting insulation on fire which ignites plastic which is hot enough to get diesel to burn if the fuel tank is ruptured. Now once it gets going it is a bitch to put out. you need lots of foam. Vehicle fires in gas engine equipped are really common and are almost always a total loss as they burn fast and hot and only need a spark to ignite
Or the rare case of diesel runaway. Thats a fun one.
 

Adventurous

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I was more referring to cases where the engine receives unintended sources of fuel, such as a ruptured fuel line, or perhaps worn piston rings allowing the engine to consume oil from the crankcase, that leads to an overspeed condition and self-destruction in a fantastic fashion.
 
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eric strt6

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Sep 8, 2001
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gonna be making Pizzas from scratch in the camper ( I will make the dough at home , freeze it in pizza sized doughballs in Ziplock freezer bags greased with a little bit of olive oil) just picked up a 13" pizza stone and a 12" wooden peal
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junkyard

You might feel a little prick.
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jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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I bought a range for mine originally and decided against it. We are still on the fence about a microwave. I have a spot for one but we aren't even using the cooktop yet.
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
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In the cleavage of the Tetons
I wonder if in 5-10 years, battery technology will be so good it will render small (camping size) generators obsolete.
that will be neato.
But by then there will be SO MANY BOONDOCKERS that camping will suck unless you have a reservation somewhere....
 

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
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Really nice build. But FYI, if you are 6' or taller, you need a longer bed (i.e., the bed needs to go the long way). (I'm 6'1" and can't get away with sleeping the short way.)
 

Jozz

Joe Dalton
Apr 18, 2002
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Really nice build. But FYI, if you are 6' or taller, you need a longer bed (i.e., the bed needs to go the long way). (I'm 6'1" and can't get away with sleeping the short way.)
That, and the night peeing situation that may arise.
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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I bought a range for mine originally and decided against it. We are still on the fence about a microwave. I have a spot for one but we aren't even using the cooktop yet.
What cooktop did you go with? We're buying a Sprinter that has everything but a cooktop... thinking propane but haven't started the research to see what is out there and good. Got any strong opinions? We'll immediately use the cooktop.
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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I saw one of these in a driveway the other day on the way to/from Lampert Hitch. They had another non-camper Astro in the driveway as well.
A good friend of mine owned one of those for a hot minute. An AWD version. It did surprisingly well on some Moab Jeep roads, but was nonetheless kinda janky.
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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What cooktop did you go with? We're buying a Sprinter that has everything but a cooktop... thinking propane but haven't started the research to see what is out there and good. Got any strong opinions? We'll immediately use the cooktop.
I'm just gonna leave this here for myself...
 

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
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Does the van you're buying already have a fridge? If so, how does it run when off-grid?

We have a two-burner propane cooktop in our van, with a 5-gallon tank under the floor. But we also have a 3-way fridge running on propane when we're off-grid.
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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Does the van you're buying already have a fridge? If so, how does it run when off-grid?

We have a two-burner propane cooktop in our van, with a 5-gallon tank under the floor. But we also have a 3-way fridge running on propane when we're off-grid.
It does, it's a 12v only 50qt cooler-shaped chest style fridge that runs off the battery bank, which is charged by both the alternator when driving and a ???w solar panel up top when not. We spent the weekend camping in dense forest on cloudy days, and the battery never went below 85% and we didn't run the vehicle at all for two days so it was only charging with solar. The beer stayed plenty cold, and all the vegetables and other perishable food we brought stayed super fresh. And no ice! It was glorious.

I'm thinking a small propane tank located somewhere probably inside the van in a metal box of some sort. Disconnect when driving. Not my favorite but I don't want it hanging below the chassis to get smacked on rocks and such. We'll see what other options there might be... I've heard diesel cooktops are a thing, but maybe not worth the expense and hassle of plumbing another line to the fuel tank.

I think we want something 2-burner configured front-to-back to fit the space I'm thinking of it going in the van. Something like this maybe:
EDIT: actually maybe more like this one... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZXYZGQT/
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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What cooktop did you go with? We're buying a Sprinter that has everything but a cooktop... thinking propane but haven't started the research to see what is out there and good. Got any strong opinions? We'll immediately use the cooktop.
I scored a Dometic 2 burner with glass cover. I got it on a scratch and dent sale for $250.


Still need to mount and plumb the tank and buy a fan. So I haven't tried it yet, but it looks nice. :rofl:
 

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
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Lots of ways to do it but personally I'd look into a diesel cooktop, or at least see if you can convert later. It's generally preferable to avoid single-purpose fuel sources if you can. So for example, we've got the fridge and cooktop on propane, and our house heater/hot water heater run diesel.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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Portland, OR
Lots of ways to do it but personally I'd look into a diesel cooktop, or at least see if you can convert later. It's generally preferable to avoid single-purpose fuel sources if you can. So for example, we've got the fridge and cooktop on propane, and our house heater/hot water heater run diesel.
I didn't look for diesel cooktop. My fridge is AC/DC, the water heater and cooktop are propane and the heater is diesel.
 

Full Trucker

Frikkin newb!!!
Feb 26, 2003
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Our van also has a diesel house heater, but no hot water. Might add that later? But we're not living full time so maybe not. Good point regarding single-purpose fuel sources, plus propane just "feels" less safe. I'll do a little digging on the diesel options. Also would consider electric induction, if something exists that can be run with the current (or slightly modified/expanded) battery situation.

Oh Jesus fuck Christ that's real money.