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kidwoo

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I think it might come to a head. Dealers are left trying to polish a turd and customers are getting pissed.
meh

what you built is rad

what most people build themselves is rad

I bought a two piece fiberglass bathtub that's rad

the stuff built inside a solid van chassis is fine (although still usually a ripoff)


I'll never feel sorry for lazy money. I mean hey, that's how capitalist free markets are supposed to work right?

just an opportunistic grift industry like everything else at this point
 
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Westy

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Anybody know of any companies or kits for installing small hydronic floor heating systems?

Would need to box in the bottom and put a controller in and plumb it with propane. Could use the graywater tank as a reservoir in winter maybe?

Wouldn't you want a dedicated closed system you could use antifreeze in so it doesn't uh freeze when not running? I would also think cooking gray water could get nasty and would probably clog up or kill efficiency in heat exchange.

What electricity source would you have? I assume you would need a recirc pump at the minimum.

Something like this would be a ghettotastic heat source. Probably wouldn't need a large reservoir but perhaps a pressure accumulator to prevent air from getting into the system and allowing for expansion.

 
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kidwoo

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Wouldn't you want a dedicated closed system you could use antifreeze in so it doesn't uh freeze when not running? I would also think cooking gray water could get nasty and would probably clog up or kill efficiency in heat exchange.
It would be dedicated in the sense that I'm never using the grey water system in winter so it's just a switch seasonal setup thing. I flush the grey water tank pretty well after every use. Not married to the idea, it's just existing infrastructure and the tank sits right where I'd want to heat anyway.

One of those little tankless heaters is what I was kind of picturing too.

Honestly just getting the thing boxed in would probably do half of the heating. The floor just a heat sink right now.

But yeah, propane and battery something something. I've got a monster solar panel that's proving to be overkill so I might as well have a bank for winter.
 

Westy

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It would be dedicated in the sense that I'm never using the grey water system in winter so it's just a switch seasonal setup thing. I flush the grey water tank pretty well after every use. Not married to the idea, it's just existing infrastructure and the tank sits right where I'd want to heat anyway.

One of those little tankless heaters is what I was kind of picturing too.

Honestly just getting the thing boxed in would probably do half of the heating. The floor just a heat sink right now.

But yeah, propane and battery something something. I've got a monster solar panel that's proving to be overkill so I might as well have a bank for winter.
Have you considered hydrogen?
 

eric strt6

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It would be dedicated in the sense that I'm never using the grey water system in winter so it's just a switch seasonal setup thing. I flush the grey water tank pretty well after every use. Not married to the idea, it's just existing infrastructure and the tank sits right where I'd want to heat anyway.

One of those little tankless heaters is what I was kind of picturing too.

Honestly just getting the thing boxed in would probably do half of the heating. The floor just a heat sink right now.

But yeah, propane and battery something something. I've got a monster solar panel that's proving to be overkill so I might as well have a bank for winter.
1" pink foam board on the floor with a solid overlay would really add light weight floor insulation.
 

jimmydean

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1" pink foam board on the floor with a solid overlay would really add light weight floor insulation.
That's what I used for my floor was 1" foam with 1/2" plywood over.

I hope to weight my truck soon, I'm dying to know what the curb weight is before I decide to bump up the rear spring rate.
 

eric strt6

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That's what I used for my floor was 1" foam with 1/2" plywood over.

I hope to weight my truck soon, I'm dying to know what the curb weight is before I decide to bump up the rear spring rate.
My rig with 2 kayaks on the roof two bikes on the rack camper in the bed. full fuel, water and propane, food and gear the two of us and the 3 dogs tips the cat scale at 13,000 pounds. Truck is registered at 15,000 pounds
 

eric strt6

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when you say pink foam, Im picturing the shit that gets really dusty
 

kidwoo

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It has to be a mid layer with a hard surface over it. Lots of guys have it between the bed of their truck and the bottom their truck campers and it holds up well
Mine is a tow behind camper so that would be interior, not exterior like a bed camper.

I aint breathing styrene dust.

Not saying tossing some insulation on the floor wont happen just not that stuff.
 
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jimmydean

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My rig with 2 kayaks on the roof two bikes on the rack camper in the bed. full fuel, water and propane, food and gear the two of us and the 3 dogs tips the cat scale at 13,000 pounds. Truck is registered at 15,000 pounds
I think the chassis tag on mine says 9800#, but I'd have to double check. I will use the dump scale I think. It's accurate and big enough. I'd like to get a "built weight" minus water and crap.

The reality is a box of chips doesn't weigh shit, so my truck wasn't hauling tons of payload before me. :rofl:
 

maxyedor

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Mine is a tow behind camper so that would be interior, not exterior like a bed camper.

I aint breathing styrene dust.

Not saying tossing some insulation on the floor wont happen just not that stuff.
We have some spare kids play area foam tiles we lined the floorwith because toddlers are clumsy as shit and fat dogs make too much noise hopping down from the bed. They actually make for pretty good insulation, haven’t camped in real cold weather since doing it, but laborday Got down to the high 50s overnight, huge difference between underfoot temps in the bathroom without foam and rest of the camper with them. Carpet squares may be even better.

Heated floor sounds nice, but without full hook-ups wherever you’re parking, I’m not sure I’d want to deal with the energy consumption. It does however seem like it would be really easy to build, if you’ve got the interior height to sacrifice you could even just slap it on top of your current floor and place a second layer of floor over it.
 

kidwoo

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We have some spare kids play area foam tiles we lined the floorwith because toddlers are clumsy as shit and fat dogs make too much noise hopping down from the bed. They actually make for pretty good insulation, haven’t camped in real cold weather since doing it, but laborday Got down to the high 50s overnight, huge difference between underfoot temps in the bathroom without foam and rest of the camper with them. Carpet squares may be even better.

Heated floor sounds nice, but without full hook-ups wherever you’re parking, I’m not sure I’d want to deal with the energy consumption. It does however seem like it would be really easy to build, if you’ve got the interior height to sacrifice you could even just slap it on top of your current floor and place a second layer of floor over it.
I think I can do it. Im talking like 5deg nights so I think it would be worth doing. Im assuming just boxing in the frame would accomplish most of the insulating so it really wouldnt require much fluid volume or long term heat input.

Theres a heater in the thing. I could probably just pull the gas and electric from that and take the air heayer out. If the floor heating works all that mess becomes irrelevant.
 
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eric strt6

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If you are going to box in the under frame, perhaps you should consider filling the space between the floor and what ever you are going to use to box in the frame with expanding foam. Its super light weight , waterproof and has a good R value. You can even get fire retardant foam
 

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@jimmydean . Related to the article you posted a few days back. This squares with my experience.