[jonKranked]

come to bromont or msa,and we have a deal.

and have my trailer jacked? no thanks

 

[p-spec]

ill only steal your heart <3

 

[bikerpunk98199]

It will come to the public. Currently they are being tested in whistler on trail bikes and dh bikes.... it will come

 

[bizutch]

if the ccdb air ever comes to the real world,and it comes out with twintube,with the exact same ajusters etc. I will buy you beer for the night.

Considering the one I saw up close was indeed the exact same, you have just bought jonkranked beers. The cool thing about this one was that it was .....gold reservoir/black spring can.

 

[p-spec]

Considering the one I saw up close was indeed the exact same, you have just bought jonkranked beers. The cool thing about this one was that it was .....gold reservoir/black spring can.

I noticed that and was infact jealous,I was under the impression there was no more oil involved....anyway

Did you get to feel it ????

 

[heavy metal]

Aside from a hydraulic system isn't a pneumatic system or elastomers the only ways to dampen suspension oscillations?

Pneumatic damping might not be very reliable, and elastomers are stone age tech so...

 

[Lelandjt]

^Also friction. In fact, the damping effect in elastomers is actually friction.

 

[heavy metal]

Well friction is really the only way to dampen oscillations. Hydraulic and pneumatic damping are also using the force of friction.

 

[Steve M]

Well friction is really the only way to dampen oscillations. Hydraulic and pneumatic damping are also using the force of friction.

You can use magnetic fields to damp vibrations as well actually, 100% speed sensitive, zero friction.

 

[heavy metal]

Futureshox.


Edit: Here's an audi combination hydro/magentic damper. 100% magnetic would be very cool!

 

[jonKranked]

^Also friction. In fact, the damping effect in elastomers is actually friction.

yea but elastomers did such a poor job that they used sh*tction

You can use magnetic fields to damp vibrations as well actually, 100% speed sensitive, zero friction.

fvckin magnets

 

[Steve M]

Futureshox.


Edit: Here's an audi combination hydro/magentic damper. 100% magnetic would be very cool!

Magneto-rheological fluids are actually a different thing again to magnetic flux damping; they are still using oil flowing through a restricted port to control the damping, the advantage they offer is allowing the damping characteristics to be instantaneously changed by the car's ECU in order to idealise the damping for whatever situation the car is in at the time (cornering, braking, accelerating, whatever).

Purely magnetic damping is fairly useless at least to us mountain bikers, the problem it has is that its characteristic is more or less the reverse of the digressive damping curves we usually want - and you can't easily have separate damping characteristics in each direction. It sounds cool and high tech, and the total lack of friction is handy (don't even need sliding surfaces) but it's impractical and would be very heavy.

 

[bizutch]

Did you get to feel it ????

Aside from a few random brushes of the shoulder at the gym, I've never had my hands on Malcolm's equipment.

 

[IH8Rice]

 

[frango]

Can disposable baby diapers be washed and used again?

 

[GiantRider]

Do want one!

 

[norbar]

So finally a CCDB that is progressive for us unlucky lot that have frames needing some ramping up shocks?

 

[chillindrdude]

my next shock

 

[93dls]

Interested, i've heard good things about the vivid air. If it rides as well as i've heard the cane creek double barrel does it should be sweet.

However i do like the idea of custom valved shocks set up for specific bikes and riders (elka, boss) as you have half decent base setting. With the double barrel your tossed into the deep end when it comes to setup. But if your getting a DB i'm sure you know how you want your suspension.

May consider getting one if the rc4 on my new frame doesn't ride as well as my elka did on my last bike.

 

[djjohnr]

Sounds good for trail/AM bike. For DH, even if they solve for shock fade, I don't see anything that's going to cool off the shock to prevent the spring rate from increasing as it gets hot.

 

[TankerX]

I hope they make one for the makulu.

 

[General Lee]

That video feels like it was produced by Lifetime Television

 

[CBJ]

That video feels like it was produced by Lifetime Television

That is a compliment right?

 

[bizutch]

That video feels like it was produced by Lifetime Television

Really? I was thinking "Diane Sawyer: Special Report on refugee children".

It's one of only a few video shots at a self promo. I'll give 'em benefit of the doubt. If only they felt the need to have me test it on my bike.

 

[frango]

More, MOAR! info... but we need some Deutch Mankey or google translator

http://www.mtb-news.de/news/2011/08/02/cane-creek-double-barrel-air-–-revolution-bei-den-dh-daempfern/

http://translate.google.pl/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.mtb-news.de/news/2011/08/02/cane-creek-double-barrel-air-%E2%80%93-revolution-bei-den-dh-daempfern/

 

[IH8Rice]

Other manufacturers such as Fox or BOS offer complete chassis. It would make sense to transfer the performance and the knowledge from the DB in a suspension fork?
Cane Creek is not such a big manufacturer like other sellers in the market. A mold (mold's note R) for casting a fork can easily cost a six figure sum, which is a large sum. If we are to advance in this area, then probably with a rather upside-down fork that is designed to work from the cost-effective.

yes please

 

[kidwoo]

That video feels like it was produced by Lifetime Television

I laughed.

I cried.

I ate a tub of chocolate fudge ice cream.

But mostly I laughed.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

yes please

They should make a cartridge that fits every fork...
That would be sweet...

 

[frango]

Some more info on DBair

!

I think I want one

 

[supercow]

I saw that earlier - my Tracer 2 is begging me to get one.

 

['size]

i read this shock will be available in 8 i2i x stroke configurations - anyone have a list of those sizes?

 

[HAB]

I don't even have a bike that would make all that much sense with one right now, but awesome.

 

[Trekrules]

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Cane-Creek-Double-Barrel-Air-Interbike-2011.html

DBair lengths available:
• 190 x 50mm
• 200 x 50mm
• 200 x 57mm
• 215 x 63mm
• 222 x 63mm
• 222 x 70mm
• 240 x 76mm
• 267 x 90mm

 

[marshalolson]

does anyone know if these use normal shock reducers? or do you have to use those stupid ones like the coil has?

 

[supercow]

I hope they make one for the makulu.

Seems you're in luck then
Makulu is 266 x 89 mm , so I'm assuming the quoted 267 x 90mm will be fine.

 

[frango]

does anyone know if these use normal shock reducers? or do you have to use those stupid ones like the coil has?

Do you mean coil version doesn't have 15mm eye diameter (w/o bushing)??

 

[mtg]

does anyone know if these use normal shock reducers? or do you have to use those stupid ones like the coil has?

By "stupid ones", I assume you mean the spherical bearings, which are a good thing for performance, as they remove the typical over-constrained situation of shock mounts. over-constrained shock mounts create extra friction and wear in the shock.
In internet speak, the spherical bearings make the shock moar plush.

To answer the question, it appears the spherical bearings are no longer available, and they use a standard DU bushing design now on both the coil and air spring versions.

 

[SuspectDevice]

If you ask CaneCreek they will stick spherical bearings in there for you. They still use them on the SAE shocks.

 

[HAB]

If you ask CaneCreek they will stick spherical bearings in there for you. They still use them on the SAE shocks.

Or just buy them from SKF, like CC does. I had to make my own adapters for them but that worked fine.

 

[atrokz]

The spherical bearings are substantial better than a DU bushing. Worth the hastle imo.