Cane Creek Double Barrel Air
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as far as i know the db coil uses the same 15mm eyelet fox and rs use and i see no reason why the air version would be different.
on the older S enduro they used a similar mounting system with no DU bushing and a 15mm axle running straight through the eyelet. the db coil fit that bike.
the possible issues i can see with mounting to a giant would be eyelet to air can distance, air can width or reservoir/downtube clearance.
I agree totally that spherical bearings are worth it. I've tried to find sphericals to retrofit into my current shocks (RP23 & RC4), even bought a couple, but the best fit I could find is a GE-8, which is 16mm OD, 8mm ID, but only 5mm wide. That's real narrow, and I never used them.
http://www.skf.com/skf/productcatalogue/Forwarder?action=PPP&lang=en&imperial=false&windowName=null&perfid=183000&prodid=183000003
Has anybody found a spherical bearing that will fit in a standard shock eye bore, with an 8mm ID, and wider than 5mm? I haven't, and think it would require a custom "low misalignment" design that could only handle several degrees of angular misalignment. I think what Cane Creek was using in the DB had an OD larger than 16mm.
http://www.skf.com/skf/productcatalogue/Forwarder?action=PPP&lang=en&imperial=false&windowName=null&perfid=183000&prodid=183000003
Has anybody found a spherical bearing that will fit in a standard shock eye bore, with an 8mm ID, and wider than 5mm? I haven't, and think it would require a custom "low misalignment" design that could only handle several degrees of angular misalignment. I think what Cane Creek was using in the DB had an OD larger than 16mm.
Nope. Recent versions of the coil had a slightly larger OD bore in the shock body to accommodate the spherical bearings if used. If not used, a sleeve is inserted into the bore into which a standard 15mm OD bushing is pressed. It works fine until you have to change the bushing, but removing the old bushing usually pulls out the sleeve, which then has to be replaced also.
Nice they mad it in
10.5 i21
10.5 i21
how do they prevent the sleeve from spinning in the eyelet or the DU from spinning in the sleeve?
It's a press fit just like the bushing into the shock eye would be in any other shock.
Do the outer races of your headset bearings spin in the cups, or the cups in the frame?
have you ridden the same frame and and same shock back to back with and without spherical bearings? i have. there is absolutely zero real world difference, on trail, in my experience. ymmv.
it is, however, a larger pain in the a$$ to switch around hardware etc, and for sure a way bigger pain if your chainstays arn't ultra stiff and you wear out the spherical bearing, and need to get them instead of the $2 DU bushing that is in ample supply everywhere on the planet.
plenty of frames go without a DU bushing (read: giant, specialized), and getting a CCDB on there requires some funky adapters and a bit of fiddling.
It's called torque.
The ONLY torque they see is the result of friction in the pivot itself. So not much.
Any news on this bad boy?
Maybe a test ride? Pricing?
Maybe a test ride? Pricing?
I emailed a week ago for EP and they say early next year and they are working on pricing
it doesn't look like this would fit my specialized sx 
it will be for sure more just the fact of r&d
time to get a tracerit doesn't look like this would fit my specialized sx
So they came up with the coil version with no R&D?
The germans were already able to test a proto.
It's a really good read (german, though):
Cane Creek Double Barrel Air
They are really pleased with the shock. Works great, like it's coil brother, and it feels close to a coil shock. Really close.
Do want!
It's a really good read (german, though):
Cane Creek Double Barrel Air
They are really pleased with the shock. Works great, like it's coil brother, and it feels close to a coil shock. Really close.
Do want!
I've already posted it, even with translation ;>
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f19/cane-creek-double-barrel-air-241254/index5/#post3671119
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f19/cane-creek-double-barrel-air-241254/index5/#post3671119
TT is way too long for my liking, among other things.
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Oh sorry, my fault
It happensOh sorry, my fault
I hope real life reviews will appear soon.
Moar info on DBair from CyclinNews
Cane Creek DBair Rear Shock First Ride Review | Cyclingnews.com
Cane Creek DBair Rear Shock First Ride Review | Cyclingnews.com
I don't know if any1 is interested, but I've been told by Cane Creek employee that they are working on DBair with 15mm (instead of 16mm) eyelets to allow Glory and some older Spesh bike owners use latest CC product.
If you'd like to ride DBair on your Glory, as I do, write CC
If you'd like to ride DBair on your Glory, as I do, write CC
When is the CCDB Air going to be available?
OEM's are shipping now and customer's shocks are shipping on the 15th still.
I don't think it has already been posted... Good review of DBair, however, if I understood well, author says it's rather a shock for big AM on EN bikes...
http://www.bikemag.com/gear/initial-thoughts-cane-creek-dbair/
http://www.bikemag.com/gear/initial-thoughts-cane-creek-dbair/
He definitely says that, plain as day.............and then lists features that are desirable for ANY bike, especially DH bikes.
What do you expect though......Bike magazine. I don't know who 'squirrel' is but if he fits into the history of Bike magazine, he doesn't get a whole lot of runs on 40lb bikes.
Anybody sitting on one of these right now? If so, do me a solid and measure the big chamber outside diameter. Thanks!
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2.25" OD of the air spring chamber; it looks huge, but really isn't much bigger in diameter than a coil spring. My CCDB with steel 400 lb/in spring is 2.12" OD.
As far as application, I've talked to CC about it, they said the whole purpose of the air spring was to work better with different frame leverage rates; not necessarily a certain type of bike. I interpret that as being designed for frames that don't have a progressive leverage rate, basically.
No problem.
I'm really tempted to replace the Pushed RP23 on my trail bike with a DB Air.
I'm really tempted to replace the Pushed RP23 on my trail bike with a DB Air.
That's a load of bs. Yes bikes designed around air shocks will have different leverage curves but there are many full on dh rigs that are linear to slightly degressive. Sunday, Legend, 224 and probably quite a few others. It's just the CC guys claim it's not to loose weight but to offer a progressive CCDB for the people who couldn't run the spring version (or didn't want to) because of the linear nature of that shock.
So Norbar, when are you getting yours?
I'm really thinking about it but I'm so happy with my current build I don't feel the urge to spend so probably only if I get a bigger influx of cash.
ugh, now they are saying beginning of March for our orders. dangit.
they are still catching up on OEM and distributor orders
they are still catching up on OEM and distributor orders