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Canyon Proto Hi Pivot-Pinion........(THESIS BIKE)
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Looks flexy!!!!
I'm saying I'd kill that little swingarm..
Interesting design don't really like it but curious to see how the concept actually works...function first cause looks are definitely second...
I'm saying I'd kill that little swingarm..
Interesting design don't really like it but curious to see how the concept actually works...function first cause looks are definitely second...
Weird concept, I'd have assumed a high pivot gear box bike would be for Teh Enduroz, but this looks to be a lighter duty trailbike. Not sure why you'd need to reinvent the wheel for that.
Esthetically bikes need a triangular rear triangle, they just do. It's one of the many cases where the design that looks better also generally performs better.
Well they sure as hell failed as a designer maybe they ought to stick to doing Ikea warehouses...
They do have the runny paint option in photoshop
jesus christ where to start.
"braided tubes"
if this really is a thesis, it's getting an F.
"braided tubes"
if this really is a thesis, it's getting an F.
I assume they are talking about something like this.
Braided Carbon Fiber Biaxial Sleeves
These braided carbon biaxial sleeves feature the desirable cosmetics of a 2x2 twill pattern. They can be slid over a prepared mandrel or cylinder to create straight or tapered tubing. Braided sleeves will completely conform to the shape of products with changing geometries like prosthetics...
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or maybe some ID went overboard on the buzzword bingo.I assume they are talking about something like this.
Braided Carbon Fiber Biaxial Sleeves
These braided carbon biaxial sleeves feature the desirable cosmetics of a 2x2 twill pattern. They can be slid over a prepared mandrel or cylinder to create straight or tapered tubing. Braided sleeves will completely conform to the shape of products with changing geometries like prosthetics...
I think it's great that it comes with a built-in toolkit for the Pinion gearbox. 
And dafuq is happening with that stem?
uh, it's all a conceptual rendering? based on the hashtags i'm gonna go out on a limb and say its final thesis by an industrial design student
Some marketing wank talks to an engineer, hears a few words and they think they understand and go nuts with it.
Or in this case designer talks to engineer.
Be alot easier to say it's adjustable and ugly as hell...save alot of reading
i still have one of these. a decidedly "compliant" ride, to be kind. eventually broke, unsurprisingly (actually broke two; managed to warranty the first frame), but was fun while it lasted.
apparently its not just a rendering, but an actual mockup. i'm assuming 3d printed.
would be interesting to see how it changes after FEA, testing, and manufacturability analysis.
would be interesting to see how it changes after FEA, testing, and manufacturability analysis.
it is... but it seems as if there was some actual involvement on Canyon's part. to what degree i'm not sure.
Wonder if he had a what happens when China takes over Taiwan clause in his thesis. Will carbon making start in Cambodia, VietNam or possibly South America? Has to be somewhere that has 0 environmental regulations and doesn't care that their people are born with 4 eyes....
So I posted that as the most 90s bike ever in our Alaska mtb group.
Brett Trimble replied.
Evidently it was designed and built here in Anchorage. First ever molded CF mtb.
First mtb world championship in Durango, CO:
back in the day, trimble was based out of berryville arkansas (only know this because i had to ship him a frame for warranty & call him several times to expedite the tedious process).
*edit* quick google - looks like the family was originally from AK. appears brent moved down south at some point where he set up shop.
*edit* quick google - looks like the family was originally from AK. appears brent moved down south at some point where he set up shop.
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Seems that most people are missing the point which is the modular bb to seat tube unit, allowing for one common unit across all sizes.
The rest of the goofy integration stuff and the 'unique' styling is just there because no one would give a shit about the project if it didn't catch the eye amid all the other high pivot trail bike furore
The rest of the goofy integration stuff and the 'unique' styling is just there because no one would give a shit about the project if it didn't catch the eye amid all the other high pivot trail bike furore
Nothing wrong with bonding structural parts together, would probably help ho have for than 2mm of bonded surface depth though.
oh it can certainly be done (atherton bikes, i've seen some lugged carbon / metal road frames too). just whether or not they'll do a good job.
My take would be different. For composites, you generally want the bonds/junctions to be stronger than the structural parts in-between. So you'd be busting CF fibers in structural parts before inserts or junctions would tear out. This means the junction/bond is not the weakest point, if it were, it would be a much more catastrophic failure for the system. So if you can't ensure this, you don't bond the parts. The other way I suppose (I'm not an engineer) is to design the bonded junction so that it theoretically will meet or exceed your strength requirements, without ensuring it is "stronger" than the underlying structure...but then it seems like a lot more of a gamble that relies on perfect manufacturing processes and that you fully accounted for every possible scenario.
I've been deep into some of the Airbus stuff where they go into this in great detail, showing some of the failure and testing of composite components. Those bonds are hugely important and they don't give out before the underlying material fails. If the bond fails at the tail, the entire tail rips off. If the tail sees extreme loads and is damaged, better to at lease have "some" of a tail left rather than the entire thing ripped off.
Oh yeah because Pole's previous non-bonded bikes were so robust.....
I don't think that failure is representative of a problem with the manufacturing method.
Haha yep I get ya. Me and the lads were talking about bonded frames the other day and someone brought up the pictures (there are multiple) of Poles with separated headtubes. One of the other boys has a Pole (4th frame) and was like "oh yeah I don't think thats the problem hey"
on the other hand, some guys i knew when i was in college (that made me a quasi custom dh frame) also did some cool steel XC hardtails that had lugged carbon seat tubs and top tubes. one of the guys that got one is still riding it. this was probably around 2007ish