Lol! They probably will win it this year, but honestly, with proper leadership, that team shouldnt lose 10 games in a season. Its sickening the talent they've "aquired" over the past several seasons.
Captain Jeter
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Just because Jeter wasn't named the "captain" from 1996-2000 doesn't mean that he didn't play a big role in motovating the team.
Anyone who has played baseball from a High School level and up knows that the shortstop is a VERY important person regarding basically every aspect of the game.
Anyone who has played baseball from a High School level and up knows that the shortstop is a VERY important person regarding basically every aspect of the game.
Ok, fine. So only when named captain does he fail miserably. That sounds like a great leader to me.
so why does conventional wisdom hold that great pitching beats great hitting?
or does Jeter inspire the pitchers magically?
sanjuro, burly beat yr ass down hard in this thread. i'd delete it if you are prone to embarrassment.
Fixed, based on the man crush displayed in said thread.
I'm with the prior poster, BS has got you on this one.
Best What ? Short stop ? I don't think so. there have been tons better shorts stops than Jeter! Hell Jeter isn't even the best shortstop on that team , Personally A-rod is a better short stop than Jeter will ever be.
You got to be kidding. That's like saying Jordan was not a good basketball player until 1990.
The Yankees might have won the WS since 2000, but to say Jeter did not offer leadership before he became captain in 2001 is ridiculous.
You might argue that Tom Brady is just as good of a leader as Jeter, but to say Jeter's stellar performance in the playoffs, from his spectacular days to his super numbers, really outshine all his baseball contemporaries and certainly can be compared to other athletes.
sanjuro, the tide has washed over yr head, and onto Joe Torre's beach towel.
give up.
give up.
The problem is I don't like to state the obvious. If Jeter hits .500 and the Yankees sweep the WS, then you probably won't hear a peep from me.
Convincing a bunch of non-believers about intangibles has been fun but fruitless...
No one controls all the aspects of ANY team sports game. The fact that he cannot control the pitchers means nothing in terms of him being a captain. I can tell you though, as I am a pitcher, that when somebody is making good plays in the field behind you, and hitting the sh!t out of the ball, I sure as hell am going to be more confident and try to do a better job.
shortstop is definitely a key aspect of a good defense, but let's not kid each other than there aren't 8 other guys out there playing defense.
check out the bottom table for average chances per 9 innings. 2nd base actually gets more, on average, than SS.
http://www.blbex.com/story.php?storyid=81
captain obvious, i never stated that. your claim was "that the shortstop is a VERY important person regarding basically every aspect of the game." there have been plenty of great hitters and fielders on teams w/ bad pitching staffs...the yankees buy what they think they need.
No one controls all the aspects of ANY team sports game. The fact that he cannot control the pitchers means nothing in terms of him being a captain.
Key word there being basically.
Playing shortstop does not just consist of having ground balls hit to you..
The only position in baseball comparable to QB is pitcher. And pitchers dont play every game, all game...so there is simply no comparison.
Catcher would be way more comparable to QB, as they call all the shots.
Hell, our head football/assistant baseball coach even compares em.
yep, most of the times the ball gets hit to one of the other 8 fielders.
about the only unique thing the shortstop does defensively is cover for stolen base attempts.
Ugh. You cut about half the balls from the outfield, are involved in double plays, etc...yep, most of the times the ball gets hit to one of the other 8 fielders.
about the only unique thing the shortstop does defensively is cover for stolen base attempts.
and the 2nd baseman doesn't also do this?
what part of 'unique' are you having trouble understanding?
what part of 'unique' are you having trouble understanding?
This is not a shortshop vs 2nd baseman debate. This is a Jeter vs The Wold debate.
Get it straight. :biggrin:
PS, don't get all agro just cause Boston sucked it up this year.
if simple logic and reading comprehension gets you riled, i suggest you joust w/ N8 next time for an easier mark.
Logic?
I am not the one that strayed away from the Jeter and Captaincy to the importance of shortstop vs 2nd base.
He could play rightfield and still be captain. Captain has jack**** to do with the position someone plays. Of course being at shortstop helps with the whole with the whole onfield movovation thing, but it seems that people who haven't actually played baseball (hope I don't get called out on this) don't seem to understand this.
PS, baiting N8 isn't fun even for the those of us who aparently have no reading comprehension or logic.
wasn't it you who introduced his defensive position as the lynchpin of being very important to all aspects of his team's play?
That was in response to the arguement involving quarterbacks...
But it is true, and not necessarily in just actual play.
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So take off all yer clothes.
It is get-tin' so hot
I'm gonna take my clothes off!"
:biggrin: Did nobody get any lovin' last night? I'm also not referring specifically to the poster by that nom de plume. :biggrin:
So take off all yer clothes.
It is get-tin' so hot
I'm gonna take my clothes off!"
:biggrin: Did nobody get any lovin' last night? I'm also not referring specifically to the poster by that nom de plume. :biggrin:
What Leadership! 1-4 in a loss! Yup thtas leading the way.
I'm very surprised the Tigers managed to win a game.
The A-Rod boos are music to my ears.
The A-Rod boos are music to my ears.
3 K's oh Yeah!!! :biggrin:
Now your finally making sense
Even us Yankee fans all hate A-Rod...
Yea, but football players only play 16 (with what, 21 games at MOST?)
and the QB doesn't throw every down. Hell, if a QB had as many attempts as a pitcher then that would be something
SS the leader of the team. HAHA!!! Pitcher that's even more funny. Their job is to hit my glove and throw what I call PERIOD, half the time they don't even know what's going on because they only play 30 games.
I used to dable in Simi Pro baseball. I was a catcher and the SS on every team I was on was my Bitc&!! Hell every player besides the pitcher is. As a catcher you see everything all the guys and how they are set up. The SS should have no say in how the defense is set.
The SS dose not call Relays/Cut offs & Pick Plays.
I used to dable in Simi Pro baseball. I was a catcher and the SS on every team I was on was my Bitc&!! Hell every player besides the pitcher is. As a catcher you see everything all the guys and how they are set up. The SS should have no say in how the defense is set.
The SS dose not call Relays/Cut offs & Pick Plays.
I really thought A-Rod would have a good series. If he doesn't turn things around, I don't expect to see him on the Yankees next season.
so does every starting pitcher pitch every game in the season?
and there's one huge difference between baseball and football...every single game counts in football. not nearly the case in baseball.
GO A's
Hopefully they will finally wrap up a division series this afternoon.
FINGERS CROSSED!!!!
Hopefully they will finally wrap up a division series this afternoon.
FINGERS CROSSED!!!!
My sister just got her season tickets. They will be out there, and I will probably go for the next series...