[stoney]

200-series is officially discontinued

I apologize if there was a thread already on here, but the Land Cruiser has been officially discontinued. MY2021 is the final year. I know the Lexus will live with a turbo 6. Sad day.

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Hats off for the end of an amazing run. I was hoping they were going to keep going because when it's time to get another car (~10 years), I was planning on what would have been a 300-series LC then. Guess I'll be looking for a 10yr old 200-series at that point...

 

[Westy]

Oh no, one less SUV option on the market. What will we do?

 

[Jm_]

It was even still a “thing”? Wow, thought it was gone already.

 

[buckoW]

But the Lexus IS a Land Cruiser for the American market.
The 70 sertes is my personal favorite but I would also take an 80 or a 105.

 

[stoney]

LX will stay; sounds like it will be getting a turbo-6 though.And a px tag $20k higher.

 

[buckoW]

They put the GRJ motor into the new 70 series too. I think emissions was catching up with them and the GRJ is probably the greenest option they currently have? I have a naturally aspirated 4.2 diesel in mine so no green points there.

I would hope they keep the 200 but with a L on the grill.

 

[stoney]

They put the GRJ motor into the new 70 series too. I think emissions was catching up with them and the GRJ is probably the greenest option they currently have? I have a naturally aspirated 4.2 diesel in mine so no green points there.

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I would hope they keep the 200 but with a L on the grill.
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The LX air suspension is a ...slight, problem. But I guess it's relatively easy to just replace it with LC or aftermarket suspension once it fails.

 

[canadmos]

Just get a 4runner?

 

[stoney]

Just get a 4runner?

Not the same. LC is much nicer, higher quality interior and build. It's a 400k mile car, when you stick to the maintenance schedule.

 

[buckoW]

The LX air suspension is a ...slight, problem. But I guess it's relatively easy to just replace it with LC or aftermarket suspension once it fails.

I don’t know much about 200s but it looks like you can use Tundra parts if you wanted to get rid of the air, have more travel and a small lift.

200 Series Lift using Tundra front IFS and Icon shocks

I sold my 07' Tundra when I moved up to my new to me 08' Salsa Red Landcruiser. Pouring through the 200 series forums on mud, I came across the thread by Brian Jowett about building his truck with Tundra components. So, I stripped the lift off the Tundra before selling it and started...

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You guys have all sorts of Toyota’s we can’t get over here and vice versa. Do you have a 200 currently? Here’s a pic of mine. It’s far from the comfort of a 200 but that’s why I like it. It’s kind of agricultural like a tractor.

 

[stoney]

I don’t know much about 200s but it looks like you can use Tundra parts if you wanted to get rid of the air, have more travel and a small lift.

200 Series Lift using Tundra front IFS and Icon shocks

I sold my 07' Tundra when I moved up to my new to me 08' Salsa Red Landcruiser. Pouring through the 200 series forums on mud, I came across the thread by Brian Jowett about building his truck with Tundra components. So, I stripped the lift off the Tundra before selling it and started...

forum.ih8mud.com

You guys have all sorts of Toyota’s we can’t get over here and vice versa. Do you have a 200 currently? Here’s a pic of mine. It’s far from the comfort of a 200 but that’s why I like it. It’s kind of agricultural like a tractor.
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Negative. It's been on my list for a while and almost got acquired with our last car purchase. My plan was with the next purchase to get one and call it a day for 2 decades.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

The LX air suspension is a ...slight, problem. But I guess it's relatively easy to just replace it with LC or aftermarket suspension once it fails.

That suspension is fairly robust and reasonably priced.
Youll probably get at least 5 years out of them (most likely 10), and replace them for $4k for all 4 corners.

Compare that to german/british cars, were you are lucky to get 5 years out of them and they usually run for $8-12k for all 4 corners.

Air suspensions are just consumables. They are pretty awesome for daily drivers, tho

 

[johnbryanpeters]

 

[stevew]

give me a 80 chassis and running gear and 14k in aluminum and i would throw this together with a flat bed....

 

[Adventurous]

give me a 80 chassis and running gear and 14k in aluminum and i would throw this together with a flat bed....

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You ever see Brennan Metcalf's LX45?

Blender, My LX450/FZJ80 + FJ45esk + GM + Land Rover crazy concoction

I have started a new project that is going to be a pseudo replacement for my 1942 Willys MB and my Dodge W250 that I built a few years back. You can read about those builds here.... http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/58343-Rango-1942-Willys-MB And...

expeditionportal.com

 

[stevew]

You ever see Brennan Metcalf's LX45?

Blender, My LX450/FZJ80 + FJ45esk + GM + Land Rover crazy concoction

I have started a new project that is going to be a pseudo replacement for my 1942 Willys MB and my Dodge W250 that I built a few years back. You can read about those builds here.... http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/58343-Rango-1942-Willys-MB And...

expeditionportal.com

nope....

that's a lot of work.

 

[Adventurous]

Sad to see it go, but it couldn't have been worth the investment for Toyota to make a next gen. They just don't move high enough volumes of the LC here. At this point I'd rather see it get dropped than have its legacy tarnished like the new Blazer or Defender.

Was reading an article about the longest lasting vehicles the other day, and the LC topped the list with an estimated 15% lasting 200K+. The 2nd highest on the list was only 5%...

 

[HardtailHack]

Seems they will still be selling the 200 for a while longer in Australia, I guess there isn't really much else that fills the void here.
I have seen two new Patrols on the roads, the new Range Rover that looks like it has been on a compactor wouldn't be much of a threat, next 'logical' choice would be the asshole's chariot, the Prado.
Most people seem to be going for small pickups to tow their jetskis or take their new meat smoker home.

 

[stoney]

Seems they will still be selling the 200 for a while longer in Australia, I guess there isn't really much else that fills the void here.
I have seen two new Patrols on the roads, the new Range Rover that looks like it has been on a compactor wouldn't be much of a threat, next 'logical' choice would be the asshole's chariot, the Prado.
Most people seem to be going for small pickups to tow their jetskis or take their new meat smoker home.
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The Prado is the Lexus GX here, so that's always a fallback option in the future.

I have a friend with two, whom I have helped swap the rear air sacs out for springs. That's the big shortcoming if them in the US.

 

[eric strt6]

I would take a vintage 1970s FJ40 over any of the new stuff

 

[4xBoy]

Rumor was a new smaller cheaper LC is coming.

Longest model in the U.S. by toyota, sad to see it leave, even if it was never going to be in my price range.

 

[CrabJoe StretchPants]

Not the same. LC is much nicer, higher quality interior and build. It's a 400k mile car, when you stick to the maintenance schedule.

Anything is a 400k mile car for the right price

 

[Toshi]

My 100 is young, at under 170k miles old!

 

[Adventurous]

My 100 is young, at under 170k miles old!

Low mileage, unmolested LCs fetch a healthy premium. Keep yours minty and you'll probably be able to recoup almost what you paid for it.

 

[4xBoy]

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[Westy]

People like them because they last a really long time. But the people who like that are the ones buying in the used market. Someone who is laying out $90k for one probably doesn't give a shit about how well it works in 5 years.

 

[stevew]

i think this ICON LC i saw in telluride has the shittiest looking paint job ever for 180k...

 

[Changleen]

As people who enjoy the great outdoors, I find it a little weird (and frankly a bit gross/irresponsible) that any of us are still planning on buying ICE cars. If you have the cash and time for restorations, why not convert to an electric powertrain?

 

[johnbryanpeters]

As people who enjoy the great outdoors, I find it a little weird (and frankly a bit gross/irresponsible) that any of us are still planning on buying ICE cars. If you have the cash and time for restorations, why not convert to an electric powertrain?

Because testosterone?

 

[Toshi]

As people who enjoy the great outdoors, I find it a little weird (and frankly a bit gross/irresponsible) that any of us are still planning on buying ICE cars. If you have the cash and time for restorations, why not convert to an electric powertrain?

May I direct you to this old thread

The futility of the Prius and the end of the world as we know it

I sold my only car back in 2008 after having an epiphany that our western way of life is unsustainable. Recently, I've come to a more gradual realization that my reaction to it is futile. Here's how it all came to pass: The Epiphany Although I'd read this and that regarding the energy use...

ridemonkey.bikemag.com

 

[Changleen]

Yeah, I don't agree that absolving yourself of responsibility is OK. 'But everyone else does it' isn't a valid excuse.
People are always gonna keep dying but you still go to work, right?

 

[stevew]

As people who enjoy the great outdoors, I find it a little weird (and frankly a bit gross/irresponsible) that any of us are still planning on buying ICE cars. If you have the cash and time for restorations, why not convert to an electric powertrain?

the lack of charging stations in the great outdoors maybe...

 

[canadmos]

As people who enjoy the great outdoors, I find it a little weird (and frankly a bit gross/irresponsible) that any of us are still planning on buying ICE cars. If you have the cash and time for restorations, why not convert to an electric powertrain?

Range, uncertainty, cost etc?

Is manufacturing batteries and the actual car gross? Much of it is no different than ICE cars, even made in the same factories.

I drive a used 13 year old car and have no plans of replacing it anytime soon. Have never purchased a new car, so maybe I'm cheap or recycle cars in a sense? I'm sure my car has had less of an impact on everything compared to going out and purchasing a brand new electric car.

We're screwed either way, so yolo.

 

[Jozz]

We're screwed either way, so yolo.

 

[chuffer]

I drive a used 13 year old car and have no plans of replacing it anytime soon. Have never purchased a new car, so maybe I'm cheap or recycle cars in a sense? I'm sure my car has had less of an impact on everything compared to going out and purchasing a brand new electric car.

I am of a similar mindset, but I often wonder which route is really lower impact.

On one hand is buying a new battery operated car with an energy storage system (batteries) that is pretty environmentally nasty and an energy source (electricity) that in the US is still primarily dino-compost at its origin (natural gas & coal burning power plants).

On the other hand I have my 30+ year old SUV that gets horrible gas mileage and is probably considered a gross polluter by modern standards, but barring a crash will be the last SUV I buy. Same thing with the 35 year old work truck.

 

[stoney]

From an electricity generation perspective, large scale gas and coal burning for electric cars is still cleaner than the energy output of an equivalent number of ICE cars.

 

[Westy]

From an electricity generation perspective, large scale gas and coal burning for electric cars is still cleaner than the energy output of an equivalent number of ICE cars.

But building a new car takes significant resources and it is often much much better for the environment to keep a an older dirtier vehicle running. An ICE car generates 75% of it's carbon simply to be built, replacing an operational ICE car with an electric car only makes sense when the ICE car has pretty much hit it's lifespan.

 

[Toshi]

From an electricity generation perspective, large scale gas and coal burning for electric cars is still cleaner than the energy output of an equivalent number of ICE cars.

Plus one can either offset with wind or solar RECs or put a ton of solar on the actual roof as I've done.

But there are no real EV alternatives for some segments... yet. Want a sedan, city hatchback, or CUV? Knock yourself out.

 

[Toshi]

But building a new car takes significant resources and it is often much much better for the environment to keep a an older dirtier vehicle running. An ICE car generates 75% of it's carbon simply to be built, replacing an operational ICE car with an electric car only makes sense when the ICE car has pretty much hit it's lifespan.

I don't think that's true.

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[Adventurous]

From an electricity generation perspective, large scale gas and coal burning for electric cars is still cleaner than the energy output of an equivalent number of ICE cars.

Our power grid cannot keep up with current demand as-is, add in mass adoption of electric vehicles and I dare say we will be in a world of shit.

Without the government taking the lead on this one, its pretty much a non-starter.

Good read on the subject: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/615433/