carbon fiber question...
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This just screams liability issue.
I'm still confused as to exactly what you want to do.
I don't think you could get in trouble for making them, maybe just selling them.
I could make a perfect clone of a Specialized FSR bike, and as long as I don't sell it or attempt to sell it, my understanding is that legally, they can't touch me.
I still wanna know, why?
i bet the emergency room will get to you know you real fast.....PSP
Assuming WTB doesn't have a patent or is not licensing someone elses patent, then yes you could make and sell it.
your not violating their trademarks because you purchased anything with the trademarked/copyrighted material on it. I do not believe that they hold any right to limit the usage of the product since you did not enter any type of limit use license when you purchased it.
Your simply taking other peoples parts and reassembling them into a different product, correct?
Also, you can not violate a patent for personal use only either. The Specialized example above is wrong. The chances of specialized enforcing their patent on an individual are low since the risk of detection are remote at best. That said, if you copied one of their patented designs and posted pictures on ridemonkey, I pretty much guarantee you will get a letter from a lawyer. I do know of several instances of that happening. Not with Specialized but with another manufacture.
Now the real question is why would you want to do that? Why not make the whole thing out of carbon? Or just buy a SDG I-Fly and be lighter.
your not violating their trademarks because you purchased anything with the trademarked/copyrighted material on it. I do not believe that they hold any right to limit the usage of the product since you did not enter any type of limit use license when you purchased it.
Your simply taking other peoples parts and reassembling them into a different product, correct?
Also, you can not violate a patent for personal use only either. The Specialized example above is wrong. The chances of specialized enforcing their patent on an individual are low since the risk of detection are remote at best. That said, if you copied one of their patented designs and posted pictures on ridemonkey, I pretty much guarantee you will get a letter from a lawyer. I do know of several instances of that happening. Not with Specialized but with another manufacture.
Now the real question is why would you want to do that? Why not make the whole thing out of carbon? Or just buy a SDG I-Fly and be lighter.
well my buddy just started doing it, he plans to make a whole seat, but for now he is just playing around with it. i love my WTB devo seat and i think it is a perfect seat to make out of carbon... being that it is wide and still a little comfy with out padding. i would be making the rails from ti
Careful, it might explod.
Are you talking about making the seat out of only carbon or just replacing the plastic portion with carbon and then using the WTB padding and cover?
Put a nice thick finishing coat on that. You don't want any splinters in your sack. That stuff's worse than fiberglass.
carbon would not really be good in that application. kevlar or kevlar and an e glass would be better for a seat. carbon is stiff and light, but when it fails close to the body it is not fun.
I doubt they'll care.
The only two things Carbon the I would ever put on my bike are stem spacers and a seat post.
Carbon and DH don't mix. while I'm sure to catch heat for this from techie guys I know better. Carbon blows hands down. Titanium wins
Carbon and DH don't mix. while I'm sure to catch heat for this from techie guys I know better. Carbon blows hands down. Titanium wins
i agree that carbon and dh do not really mix well. carbon can not take a hit like aluminum can, yes it can be fixed, but not any hack can throw some epoxy on it and call it good. in a structural carbon part, different layers are situated in different ways, and that is what gives it strength, so that adds a lot more to a repair
i would be making the rails
always amazes me on how many carbon experts are out there.
But my 2c worth, change the mould slightly if you are even using one. Or are you just ripping the cover of the wtb and laying carbon over that?
My biggest concern would be mating titanium rails securely. rough them up a lot. keep em clean.
But my 2c worth, change the mould slightly if you are even using one. Or are you just ripping the cover of the wtb and laying carbon over that?
My biggest concern would be mating titanium rails securely. rough them up a lot. keep em clean.
it does amaze me how many carbon experts there are on this site.
You sire need more experiance with quality carbon parts. I know of a couple of good carbon bars that take loads of hits, same for a seat with carbon rails (or some other part) I remember weighting 90g weighed and it still lives for a lot of ppl around here. My monkey lite dh took many direct hits with rocks and trees and has some scratches and holds ok after 1.5seasons (though I will chnage it soon due to height).The only two things Carbon the I would ever put on my bike are stem spacers and a seat post.
Carbon and DH don't mix. while I'm sure to catch heat for this from techie guys I know better. Carbon blows hands down. Titanium wins
If I remember correctly alutech is even selling carbon dh cranks although I can't imagine how they are holding up. Plus I think everybody will change their mind if the GT Fury will be the first gt bike since very long (or ever) that has no issues
yes, it can, and will not come apart when something does happen. vinylester is best, but if you are vacuum bagging or want longer work times, use epoxy with slow hardeners. kevlar is heavier though. kevlar and carbon work great together. kevlar will make the part stay together no matter what, carbon stiffens kevlar and shaves some weight. i do not do much with bike parts with kevlar and carbon or glass, but we do a lot of stuff for the military and on boats. we used to make standup jetski parts.
as time has gone on, the industries have shown fiberglass is much tougher than what was originally thought. so that is an option. but with any project like this hand laying them up you will make no money, and actually lose money per part. you can use the wtb seat as a mold, if it is plastic, that is almost a perfect mold to use as with just some pva the resins will not stick to the plastic. also to bond the rails to the composite, norton speed grip would be a good choice or lord fusor, but lord fusor takes longer to cure is white, and dries more flexible than speed grip.
as time has gone on, the industries have shown fiberglass is much tougher than what was originally thought. so that is an option. but with any project like this hand laying them up you will make no money, and actually lose money per part. you can use the wtb seat as a mold, if it is plastic, that is almost a perfect mold to use as with just some pva the resins will not stick to the plastic. also to bond the rails to the composite, norton speed grip would be a good choice or lord fusor, but lord fusor takes longer to cure is white, and dries more flexible than speed grip.
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ahh you can use any bag basically, a heavy duty trash bag, but you need a special pump which will suck air as it implies, and you also need some other stuff to absorb the extra resin the vacuum pulls from the part. for just you, i would do it just a hand lay up with minimal resin. also, since this is a seat, it is very small, that will make things harder for you, to get carbon or kevlar or even some heavier fiberglasses to make the contours that the seat probably has. can you post a picture of what you will use for a mold? and female or male mold?
well im thinking of just useing a seat as a mold, making another mold of both sides and bonding the two pieces of carbon togeather
is the seat going to have padding? if so, then you do not need to worry about the finish of the top of it. also, instead of bonding carbon together that will have different shapes, you can do a lot of finishing work to one side if you want the natural carbon look, you can have the backside of carbon in a mold looking like it was on the smooth side of the mold with lots of clear and wet sanding.
Here's how I have done a seat before using a Ti Fly
carefully remove the seats covering.
Wax the plastic shell
Lay up carbon over it.
place on table with some support underneath for when you vac or it will deform.
vac.
Done.
Now you can add the covering back on if you want.
carefully remove the seats covering.
Wax the plastic shell
Lay up carbon over it.
place on table with some support underneath for when you vac or it will deform.
vac.
Done.
Now you can add the covering back on if you want.