how about the 220 disc in the back?Anyone notice the upper link on Minnaar's bike? Similar to the super stout one that comes on the Driver 8's.
As far as I understand the new lighter front triangle and the carbon rear are one offs for Peaty and Minaar..... SC is going the F1 wayNow all we need to know is if SC will do a special price for current V10C owners
For some reason the Vital thing won't play on my work PC. Does it say how the rear triangle is made?the making of the swingarm
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Developing-the-Santa-Cruz-V10-Carbon-Swingarms,2674/Slideshow,0/sspomer,2
looks like the teamed up with ENVE to do the swingarm
arent you guys suppose to be shut down?For some reason the Vital thing won't play on my work PC. Does it say how the rear triangle is made?
Ok, cheers.arent you guys suppose to be shut down?
no, they just talk about the aluminum tooling they use, how they made them (the tools,) how ENVE made the parts in their factory and that they did it for weight savings, not to make it stiffer. 50% weight savings over aluminum (350grams)
edit: they also made the front triangle lighter due to thinner walls for Peat and Miinnaarr's XL frames..300 grams lighter
Why for only Peaty and Minnaar? Bryceland did just take a 2nd place at MSA, and would fit into an XL, no?edit: they also made the front triangle lighter due to thinner walls for Peat and MMiinnaarr's XL frames..300 grams lighter
they said time constraints. maybe they figured since there are two guys on the XL, theyd focus on that one instead of trying to do Bryceland's large frame as well.Why for only Peaty and Minnaar? Bryceland did just take a 2nd place at MSA, and would fit into an XL, no?
That is a D8 link. He told me he uses it cuz it's stiffer. I feel too much flex from my rim to feel any from the frame but I guess with carbon rims he could feel it.Anyone notice the upper link on Minnaar's bike? Similar to the super stout one that comes on the Driver 8's.
i rode Huck Banzai's XL and felt some flex from the middle of the bike too. i chalked it up to it being a gargantuan frame but did notice it.That is a D8 link. He told me he uses it cuz it's stiffer.
Try reinstalling flash. We don't want you to miss out just because you're at workFor some reason the Vital thing won't play on my work PC. Does it say how the rear triangle is made?
wasn't the whole logic behind offering an aluminum rear triangle on the v10c that it was no lighter than the carbon version?they did it for weight savings, not to make it stiffer. 50% weight savings over aluminum (350grams)r
i thought they said it wouldnt be any stiffer. you can always make something lighter via CF.wasn't the whole logic behind offering an aluminum rear triangle on the v10c that it was no lighter than the carbon version?
Yup. But now we're learning that was marketing speak for, "We won't have a carbon swingarm ready for at least another year and we want to sell the frames now."wasn't the whole logic behind offering an aluminum rear triangle on the v10c that it was no heavier than the carbon version?
Not to mention that the VPP works the bestest because it has a "S" shaped axel path. True story...Originally Posted by marshalolson -
wasn't the whole logic behind offering an aluminum rear triangle on the v10c that it was no lighter than the carbon version?
Very wrong there. It is more likely that they (SC) cut the rear end mold themselves, and did all the prototyping in the states w/ Enve. The mold looks to be aluminum, where as a production carbon mold would be cut from tool steel. Looks more like a low quantity mold for prototyping only. Cool to do all the carbon work on this continent, hopefully it is a trend that continues.Yup. But now we're learning that was marketing speak for, "We won't have a carbon swingarm ready for at least another year and we want to sell the frames now."
Obviously the swingarm is harder to produce than the main frame, hence the delay and having Enve make it instead of a Taiwanese factory. It probably costs more than the main frame.
you didnt listen to the audio did you?Very wrong there. It is more likely that they (SC) cut the rear end mold themselves, and did all the prototyping in the states w/ Enve. The mold looks to be aluminum, where as a production carbon mold would be cut from tool steel. Looks more like a low quantity mold for prototyping only. Cool to do all the carbon work on this continent, hopefully it is a trend that continues.
It's called plush.i rode Huck Banzai's XL and felt some flex from the middle of the bike too. i chalked it up to it being a gargantuan frame but did notice it.
not all carbon molds are made from steel. It depends on the size of the tool. If its a large too tell me how the operator will open it with out a overhead crane? Moving, pushing, pulling steel tools around is a pain in the rear end. Opperators love alu tools, keep the operators happy, you will have happy bikesVery wrong there. It is more likely that they (SC) cut the rear end mold themselves, and did all the prototyping in the states w/ Enve. The mold looks to be aluminum, where as a production carbon mold would be cut from tool steel. Looks more like a low quantity mold for prototyping only. Cool to do all the carbon work on this continent, hopefully it is a trend that continues.
nope.I suspect most axles turn in the frame if you stick a 6mm allen key into it?
hadley axle,and a dropout system not over-complicated for nothing ftwnope.
mine is a 8mm
With a hydraulic press like most other production tools. Even a small aluminum tool is too heavy to lift by hand.not all carbon molds are made from steel. It depends on the size of the tool. If its a large too tell me how the operator will open it with out a overhead crane? Moving, pushing, pulling steel tools around is a pain in the rear end. Opperators love alu tools, keep the operators happy, you will have happy bikes
I suspect most axles turn in the frame if you stick a 6mm allen key into it?
This started happening to me so I carefully cleaned the the axle and dropout and used blue loc-tite to secure it. Haven't had a problem since!
Caution
Check the pinch bolts on your rear axles!!!
We're on vacation in Whistler with three Carbon V10s. On two of those, the pinch bolt on the rear axle does not hold the rear axle in place.
Even with the pinch bolt tightened very hard, it does not pinch the axle down sufficiently. You can still turn the axle with your 6mm allen key, even though it should be pinched in place.
This is an extremely dangerous situation, as with a dragging bearing on the rear hub, the axle can actually unwind itself. This happened to my friend who took a nasty spill on a large jump on freight train as a result of this and had to get stitched up.
People could die from this kind of thing.
So please check if your axle is sufficiently held in place by trying to turn your axle after the pinch bolt has been tightened.
BTW: Specialized inserts the axle from the other side (the drive side), so that if anything happens, the axle tightens itself instead of loosening itself.