House panel approves broadened ISP snooping bill
mah niggas, no less
ceiling cat is watching you without warrants
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When internet is outlawed, only terrorists will use internet.
good find. done
The NSA already does this.
This just gives access to all that data to the Fullerton cops who beat a homeless guy to death. How can that be an issue in anyone's mind? Why do you all hate America?
This just gives access to all that data to the Fullerton cops who beat a homeless guy to death. How can that be an issue in anyone's mind? Why do you all hate America?
And anyone else who can buy or hack it from the ISP.
No need for redundancy, I don't want to extra pay to have my rights violated a second time.
Repeal the telco immunity and the government has a new revenue stream - $1000/violation x millions of violations = win.
Of course this will only be used with appropriate oversight and proper judicial review. Why are you all so cynical?
Does what? Forces companies to keep logs, or accesses the logs without warrants?
Current case law is pretty much solid on accessing non-content account info without a warrant. But I actually see some potential for that to change. On one hand, it's similar to a phone bill--who you called, when, and for how long, and no one argues that's private, since the whole billing department of the phone company can see it if they want. (thus, the .gov can subpoena the info; no warrant needed. Unlike a wiretap, which enters into the private realm of your protected communications.)
On the other, there's a growing recognition that internet-based communication might need to break from old models due to the amount of data there and some greater expectation of privacy despite the fact you're still going through a third party who is, by the nature of the system, going to know where you are on the Internet at all times.
I heard there's a recent circuit court ruling which makes a case for REP in stored 3d party email communications, even, which makes the case for a warrant even in older-than-180-day-email cases (per federal law, these stored 3d party records of your emails could be accessed via subpoena to the ISP, not via a warrant to enter into your protected privacy).
If it was me arguing in court for greater privacy in my ISP records, I'd argue that for Internet sites (not for email), accessing a particular site is essentially the content of your communication and is therefore protected. Unlike a phone call or email, where the content is separate from the address information. But the fact that the ISP has to keep track of it anyhow argues against it.
Forcing a company to retain info that it normally wouldn't, however, for a government-specified period of time, is thorny for me. It's one thing to subpoena AT&T's billing department for records it makes in the course of its normal business; it's another to essentially make Comcast an agent of the government by forcing them to pre-emptively collect ISP information on all customers in advance of any particular suspicion, just in case the .gov wants to see it.
And if I had to argue that in court, I'd argue that the government's mandate for these records to be kept does make the companies a de facto government agent of sorts, and insist that a warrant be required for the government to access the information the ISPs are retaining.
Thanks. Done, though I don't know that my SF zip code carries much sway with the 19 Republicans.
It's an odd day when "conservative Republicans" have become so all-consumed by their desire for a strong police-military-church state that they've forgotten completely that once, a long time ago, conservatism implied respect for civil liberties.
just start visiting the nastiest websites you can think of.
No, it just puts down a huge vacuum cleaner in telco equipment rooms to hoover every bit of internet traffic.
It's not like we're not already being watched. Anything in the name of national security, after all.
Must spread teh repz...
This should go well with the red-flag/photo recognition software that's coming out... Someone posts kiddie porn on an innocuousness website (like this one), you accidentally view the website before the image is flagged and taken down, the FBI gets a notice that you "downloaded" illegal content and your ISP has to keep all of the relevant information and hand it over to the feds.
Praise jesus for small government.
no sh!t.
