Changing your head angle

Da Peach · Oct 7, 2012

I got a -2 deg version of one one these.

Awesome results.

http://www.workscomponents.co.uk/

dump · Oct 7, 2012

Also been happy with this. Set and forget.

Da Peach said:
I got a -2 deg version of one one these.

Awesome results.

http://www.workscomponents.co.uk/

I.van · Oct 8, 2012

Be mindful that whilst the offset bushes and the angle reducing headsets both reduce head angle and lower the BB, they will have opposite impacts on your seat angle.

I have a WC Headset on my Trance and it has been trouble free.

I.van · Oct 8, 2012

Yep, it's a complete headset.

Da Peach · Oct 8, 2012

Damo said:
I can't make sense of their website...

Is that a whole new headset? Will I need to replace my Chris King with it?

As mentioned above, yup, new headset.

There isn't really any "setting" to "forget". These aren't adjustable.

Just pick the right diameter, measure the length of your head tube and away you go.

Not a creak yet on mine...

kidwoo · Oct 9, 2012

Got a 2 degree works headset on my 5 spot. Love it.

Just buy it. It'll do way more than offset bushings and won't mess with your suspension like the bushings will.

Sandwich · Oct 11, 2012

kidwoo said:
Got a 2 degree works headset on my 5 spot. Love it.

Just buy it. It'll do way more than offset bushings and won't mess with your suspension like the bushings will.

yup, and you can probably sell your CK headset for not much less than the cost of the works replacement. Food for thought, as people LOVE CK headsets...

There is no insert, to my knowledge, that allows you to keep your current setup and slacken it. Perhaps they mean a 1 1/8" headset with a different "reducing" cup?

CBJ · Oct 11, 2012

When do you know you need to slacken your head angle? Its an interesting idea as I sure like going down hill more than uphill but I can also see how it would make some of the more technical uphills very challenging.

Damo what kind of bike are you riding?

CBJ · Oct 12, 2012

Ok, makes a lot more sense than what I ride around here.

ChrisRobin · Oct 28, 2012

I have a Scott Ransom right now (fox 35 rc2 in front). The geometry is pretty standard with other 6" travel bikes. My last outing on the north shore had me thinking about reducing the head angle just to be a little more comfortable and confident riding down the trails.

I ended up getting a 3mm offset bushing for the shock (swapped out the f-ing crappy Equalizer shock for a Fox DHX Air). I haven't tried it out on the trail yet but whipping around on the streets made the bike feel a little slacker (head angle and seat angle). It just felt awesome. It's a cheap and easy way to slightly change things, instead of going with a headset and deciding which angle to go with. You just have to watch for how your suspension works and make sure altering your shock's position doesn't negatively affect your frame's suspension design.

EastCoaster · Nov 9, 2012

I purchased from this seller before. Quality was good. Shipping was great. (despite coming from Warsaw, Poland)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Offset-Shock-bushings-Mounting-Hardware-Mount-kit-All-frames-Proshox-/300611150162?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45fdd22152

Actually, thinking about buying again for the new frame that I just purchased.

ChrisRobin · Nov 9, 2012

Yeah that's who I got mine off of

ChrisRobin · Dec 5, 2012

If you were to install an offset bushing at the shock pivot that rotated slightly as the suspension compressed, you would be altering the way the shock moved through the travel. I'm not sure how badly it would affect it, but it would. You're better off installing it in the shock pivot that rotates the least.

jrewing · Jan 17, 2013

Damo said:
I've been looking at these offset bushings to slacken my bike a bit more.

I also know you can buy Angleset headsets (at retarded $$).

I want to know if there is anything else that can be done. I have a Chris King headset (1 1/8 - 1.5 tapered) which I don't particularly want to change. I seem to remember hearing somewhere there is an insert or something along those lines for your existing headset?

You can buy a 5mm crown race from Chris king for their headsets. It'll raise the front that much which is like half a degree for 15 or so bucks.

Magura · Jan 17, 2013

The trick here is to have an adjustable head angle.
For my next bike, I am making a headset that can be adjusted for up or downhill.
70 degrees for up, and 66 degrees for downhill.

Changeable but turning a knob.
I think that's gonna be real nice, as I tend to find the Swiss and Austrian mountains a great place, but have a hard time with some compromise for the head angle.

Magura

Spinning Lizard · Jan 17, 2013

Magura said:
The trick here is to have an adjustable head angle.
For my next bike, I am making a headset that can be adjusted for up or downhill.
70 degrees for up, and 66 degrees for downhill.

Changeable but turning a knob.
I think that's gonna be real nice, as I tend to find the Swiss and Austrian mountains a great place, but have a hard time with some compromise for the head angle.

Magura

Amazing, definitely post that up when ready. Think about getting one from you.

Magura · Jan 17, 2013

Spinning Lizard said:
Amazing, definitely post that up when ready. Think about getting one from you.

I don't make stuff, so no reason to hold your breath

If I can convince Shibiwan to make some, and a few people are interested, I will get the ball rolling, but it will have to be a custom for each frame, so once you hear what such a thing costs to make, I guess the interest is gone right there.
I would be surprised, if something like that could be made for less than $350 a piece, and that is if there are a few to be made.
A one-off is going to be silly expensive to have made.
I would estimate something along the lines of $1000+
See, now you like Anglesets again, right?

Magura

Spinning Lizard · Jan 17, 2013

Magura said:
I don't make stuff, so no reason to hold your breath
If I can convince Shibiwan to make some, and a few people are interested, I will get the ball rolling, but it will have to be a custom for each frame, so once you hear what such a thing costs to make, I guess the interest is gone right there.
I would be surprised, if something like that could be made for less than $350 a piece, and that is if there are a few to be made.
A one-off is going to be silly expensive to have made.
I would estimate something along the lines of $1000+
See, now you like Anglesets again, right?

Magura

Well if you got some schematics rolling on how it would operate $350 does not sound that bad

Magura · Jan 17, 2013

Spinning Lizard said:
Well if you got some schematics rolling on how it would operate $350 does not sound that bad

If another 20 people thinks the same way.....
Let's see

Currently I'm a bit pressed for time, but I have ordered materials for making the headset.
Plain PTFE (Teflon) bearings, which I intend to incorporate in the adjustable bits, to not end up with something all that clumsy and heavy.

Keep an eye out at http://www.huckingkitty.com/forums/index.php for updates.
I hope to get all this going for the first rides this spring.
I kinda need it to make my new DIY carbon frame roll, which is pretty much ready for assembly.

Magura

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