I didn't think in trailhackers post that he implicated that YOU needed to maintain the race course for the racers. Are YOU the only local in Winthrop?
Chelan new course? Whats the scoop?
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There aren't that many people in town....he has pretty good odds in his favor.
Speedbump has pretty much been the reason the DH course has become more than a fire road XC stage race. Most if not everyone else in Winthrop is XC oriented or street riders. When you think of it that way the scope of who the locals would be promising new stuff gets even narrower.
Maybe we should name out the locals that promised things? To stop any more confusion.
cant we all just get along?
Guess not......Originally posted by mplutodh1
cant we all just get along?
Back to bickering.... We need some firepower....Wheres brock?
LOL...He's always up for an argument.Originally posted by oly
Guess not......
Back to bickering.... We need some firepower....Wheres brock?
I need to watch my language. I always seem to come off as a prick. I actually like the course and it was in decent shape. However, the hike to the top means you can't get lots of runs in without wearing yourself out. That kinda puts a damper on the weekend.
Originally posted by oly
Guess not......
Back to bickering.... We need some firepower....Wheres brock?
haha i was hoping that racing would shut everyone up... but nope oh well... guess I better get back to a 60 page team budget report! ohhhhh the joys of running a team!
I agree. Your a foul mouthed mutherfocker.
I didnt mind the trail conditions either. I saw some of the NWDH guys and they were all saying how rough and bad shape things were. It got me concerned. Once on the trail it was dusty and loose, but not so bad. Some spots were actually pretty good considering not having alot of work done. I dont think theres alot they can do about the hike, other than totally changing the course or not going back. Time will tell if the rumors about not going back are true. Untill then i look forward to the next race in 5 weeks.....oh and whistelr on memorial day weekend.
I would actually consider racing again if there were free lap dances for podium finishes.
No downgrading either you sandbaggers!!!
Originally posted by oly
Guess not......
Back to bickering.... We need some firepower....Wheres brock?
AHAHAHA. I have been busy pursuing other interests lately.
I have stopped arguing about race courses. I don't even race anymore so I really don't care how lame they are. If the the afformentioned stripper idea pans out I'll start racing again. Then I'll be bitching for sure.
Nice pics brock. Ive seen some of them on that other site.....Originally posted by brock
AHAHAHA. I have been busy pursuing other interests lately.
I have stopped arguing about race courses. I don't even race anymore so I really don't care how lame they are. If the the afformentioned stripper idea pans out I'll start racing again. Then I'll be bitching for sure.
Lap dances eh? Would the quality of the dance or dancer go down according to rank? 1st place would be vegas quality....5th place Gorst quality????
I was kind thinking all the same quality (it is a podium finish after all) but longer durations based on rank. Who knows? Happy endings for 1st?
I can here it now. "The pro strippers are way hotter than the expert strippers. Not fair." Then the sport rider will bitch that they don't get to ride...i mean look at the pro strippers.
MMMMmmm....strippers
That makes me think. Another reason to go to Whistler instead of race WIM. There aren't alot of women in bikinis and body armor at WIM races.
We would need male strippers for the women! I would race dh for sure then!!!
I think that's pretty much what I indicated in my post! Other than one other DHer who has since quit racing, I've been the only one doing any work on that course during the past couple years other than the R&R crew.
The point of my post is that I don't feel any "locals" anywhere owe the racing community any trail maintenance unless they are racers also. The racers need to step up to the plate and repair the courses they use and then all the courses would be better. The way it is now, the "WIM Circus" rolls into town, blows out the trails (both DH and XC), and leaves. I'm not sure how long this can continue before land managers start to have serious reservations about allowing racing in the areas they are responsible for.
Aren't the male strippers kinda cheesy? Most chicks I know just seem to laugh at then with their curly mullets and marble sack panties. The girls that have gone to strip joints with me seem to enjoy the lap dances from chicks better than the ones from guys.Originally posted by Snacks
We would need male strippers for the women! I would race dh for sure then!!!
Oh oh. I may have said too much. I better shut up now....
We have stated in many posts here and talked to WIM about coming over and building or re-building many of the courses after the winter. No one replies to the post and WIM never gets back to us.
If you don't want to be the only one maintaning the Winthrop course then tell WIM to do it themselves.
Don't forget that they also like to come to town and deem stuff "too hard" and "fix" the trail for the locals.
Oh wait I got flamed last time I said that that was Bull$hit.
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That's basically what I did this spring. What set me off was Trailhacker's statement that the Winthrop "locals" had somehow failed to live up to an expectation to rebuild the course after last fall.
well you did sound like a jerk... so....
In speedbump's defense, the courses NOT around Spokane, where R&R is based are maintained and built by volunteers. (beacon is too, but, R&R is there and can monitor it better)
Chelan, Winthrop, Squilchuck, all done by volunteers... and not too many at that. i'll be the first to admit that probably half if not slightly more of the DHr's are from the the west side of the mountains, and don't often come over this way to work on trails - yet they're the first to b*tch about them.
Speedbump is pretty much the only one to work on the course in Winthrop, and has done a fantastic job with the course to date. But please keep in mind, we all have jobs and lives outside of racing that sometimes demand more attention than biking.
As for Chelan, it will be the same course, with some modifications. As for starting lower, the Forest Service owns the land above the road and I guess there were some issues last year... not exactly sure what though. So I think the plan of starting lower takes them out of the picture. As for Winthrop, i have not heard that we won't be going back.
As for Beacon, the problem there lays with kids going up there and building jump and what-not (without permission from the land owner) and then people get hurt. Part due to the fact that they don't know how to build them correctly. (this is bound to stir the proverbial sh*t, so bring it on)
I know they had issues with Mt. Spokane, don't know all the details. One of the bigger issues with Snoqualmie was that they charged R&R an arm and a leg to hold that race and R&R almost went bankrupt... so, Snoqual pretty much screwed themselves by being money hungry bastids.
i've spoken my peace.
As I stated in my previous post trailhacker I would be more than happy to assist on the courses. We just need a couple weeks notice.
I remember something being posted about trail working parties for the courses at the begining of the season. Anything planned?
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I read that before, and believe me, it's much appreciated. That statement wasn't directed at "you" specifically, the people it was directed at, know who they are.
I did talk with Michael L. and he had a couple of ideas about the bottom of the chelan course, going through their new Terrain Park, that way, it would help Chelan out in the winter by not having to always move a lot of snow, and it will help us out, because the stuff will always be there.
I take back what I said..... I did a search and couldn't find the thread about the Winthrop course. I still remember something being said to that effect, but have no proof.
But as a paying race participant I do have an expectation of a course worth driving 5 hours for. After 8 years of going over there to race a sub-par course (IMHO, but what do I know, it was their top drawing venue for years?), this year I decided against it. Saved my money and went to Whistler last weekend with DPM and the boys. I guess I put my money where my mouth was???
On a side note, about 3-4 years ago I went over to Winthrop on a Thursday moring with the understanding that we were going to build a "new" course. After walking around on the hill side for about an hour we found what looked to be decent line. Unfortunatley, the way I understand it, the Methow Valley Trails club (or something like that) wouldn't approve of the changes and would only allow us to modify the existing course. Which we did.
The only thing I really remember were some sport or maybe even expert riders complaining about this one jump where you had to jump over this old log. Apearently a few people cased the log and were pissed that they couldn't make. They decided to remove the log after practice was over. First thing in the morning we put it back in. They whined to Gino and he told his guys to take it out. I'm by no means a jumper and I could clear it?
Oh, the line we scoped out is almost exactly the line they use now?!?
The next year we came up with a new strategy. Show up early Saturday morning race weekend and badger Dave(?) about making a "few" changes to the course. After the first few times he would just look at us and say "make sure its done before practice starts". We refered to it as guerilla course building.
As far as Chelan goes, If the only chance to work on it is MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, well sorry, but I've made other plans involving my season's pass at Whistler. If they would still be open to us coming over in the two weekends between MDW and race weekend, and we are able to make some serious changes, I'm sure I could round up a handful of people. Let me know and I'll start gathering the troops.
I totally respect your right to expect courses to be worth your time and money (and everyone's standards are different.) Furthermore, I think you did the right thing by voting with your feet and wallet if you don't like this course and would rather go to Whistler. My gripe was the expectation that the locals were the ones responsible for course preparation as opposed to the race promoters or race community. There was a thread last fall that included ideas on how the course could be changed, but it was never more than brainstorming at the most. Have a good time at Whistler this weekend and try to think of us poor slobs working all weekend.
I do remember an e-mail from round-n-round about needing help working on thew Winthrop course....of course I can't find the proof now either.
I don't think anyone EXPECTS the locals to maintain the course, I think it was implied in a roun-n-round update e-mail though. Or we could all be very confused
I don't think anyone EXPECTS the locals to maintain the course, I think it was implied in a roun-n-round update e-mail though. Or we could all be very confused
Put down the pipe and take a couple breaths for fresh air. I think your hallucinating again......a good sign are the pink monkey that follow you around the office. If you dont see the monkeys, then maybe we are just confused.Originally posted by PsychO!1
I do remember an e-mail from round-n-round about needing help working on thew Winthrop course....of course I can't find the proof now either.
I don't think anyone EXPECTS the locals to maintain the course, I think it was implied in a roun-n-round update e-mail though. Or we could all be very confused
I dont think im going to bother posting any more threads about WIM courses. They just end up being a big bitch session. If i wanted that i'd go post in the political forum......
Yeah, waaaaaay to go....Oly.
I was just trying to back up Kevin's story...we were led to believe that trail work was happening, we DID NOT assume the locals would fix our course. Thats all.
and don't make fun of my imaginary pink monkeys!!!! :angry:
My imaginary pink monkeys can kick your imaginary pink monkeys ass!!!!
Well, at this point in the day there are 3 pink monkeys running around my cube. So i see your monkey and raise you 2. Although your monkey is PSYCHO so it can probably fight better.....Originally posted by PsychO!1
I was just trying to back up Kevin's story...we were led to believe that trail work was happening, we DID NOT assume the locals would fix our course. Thats all.
and don't make fun of my imaginary pink monkeys!!!! :angry:
My imaginary pink monkeys can kick your imaginary pink monkeys ass!!!!