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Changleen said:
Couldn't tell the difference between a 78 year old guy and a Quail, yet he's VP of the US. Greeeaaaaaaatttt. No wonder they invaded the wrong country. They were aiming at Saudi Arabi, honest!
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they didn't invade "the wrong country." they did precisely what they intended to do. while everyone's wondering about terrorists and whether the "insurgents" might "ruin democracy for Iraq" the USA is locking into a perpetual supply of petroleum resources, as well as an annuity-styled perpetual work flow for Halliburton and US defense industry contractors.

it was NEVER about WMDs, terrorists, or the events in NYC/Pentagon/Central PA of 9/11/2001.
 
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binary visions said:
Seriously?

Yes.

It's manslaughter (if you kill him), or attempted manslaughter (if you don't).
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that's a lot of confidence in an opinion that has a tenuous solidity which varies as you cross state lines.
 
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sanjuro said:
Here's a stupid question:

Is it a crime to shoot someone accidentally?
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by their general nature, "crimes" (violations of criminal codes) require intent.

also generally speaking, unintentional shootings would be "torts," or civil wrongs of a personal injury nature.

but these subjects can be treated a bit differently as you go from state to state.

shooting another person accidentally could be a crime unrelated to a person being shot -- the discharge of the firearm might be criminal in certain settings, regardless of whether anyone is hit by the bullet/shot fired from the arm.
 
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particle bored said:
that's a lot of confidence in an opinion that has a tenuous solidity which varies as you cross state lines.
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Huh?

The main answer there was, "Yes." as in, "Yes, it is illegal."

If you want to have a legal discussion about the places when and where certain charges are applicable, feel free - that's way over my head. I'm fairly ignorant of the technical aspects of law :D

Sorry, wasn't trying to come off as authoritative about the charges in relation to this situation. More to point out an example of a specific crime relating to killing a person without meaning to - a manslaughter (or involuntary manslaughter) charge.
 
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You can't have an 'attempt' at an 'involuntary' crime.

There aren't any fed statutes covering this, so it's up to the state laws. Which, as noted, are highly variable. In any case, I can't see a DA willing to prosecute this on anyone, Cheny or not...it'd likely come down to civil action, which I don't see happening between hunting buddies.

On a better note, a guy on Vorb.org.nz gave the best quote ever:

"Perhaps he made a sound like an oil-rich-nation..."

MD
 
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MikeD said:
On a better note, a guy on Vorb.org.nz gave the best quote ever:

"Perhaps he made a sound like an oil-rich-nation..."

MD
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I hear that sound doesn't echo... :D

(BTW Duck's quacks DO echo...)
 
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Letterman's top 10

Top Ten Dick Cheney Excuses


10. "Heart palpitation caused trigger finger to spasm"

9. "Wanted to get the Iraq mess off the front page"

8. "Not enough Jim Beam"

7. "Trying to stop the spread of bird flu"

6. "I love to shoot people"

5. "Guy was making cracks about my lesbian daughter"

4. "I thought the guy was trying to go 'gay cowboy' on me"

3. "Excuse? I hit him, didn't I?"

2. "Until Democrats approve medicare reform, we have to make some tough choices for the elderly"

1. "Made a bet with Gretzky's wife"
 
MikeD

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Turns out he's being cited already...for not having the proper hunting license. And of course, he says he already mailed the fee in...naturally.

Honestly, this should make the normally remote Cheny seem more likeable to the majority of the Bush base...I mean, what real downhome American HASN'T accidentally shot his buddy while hunting without a license?

MD
 
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Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose to get wiretaps and dead soldiers off the front page.
 
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This sounds pretty careless to me:

"Ranch owner Katharine Armstrong said Mr Cheney had turned round to shoot at a bird, unaware that Mr Whittington was behind him. He sprayed Mr Whittington with shotgun pellets."

I sure wouldn't want to be anywhere near someone like that with a gun in their hands.
 
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One of the first rules in hunting is "Identify your target"

The clown should be made to do a gun safety course.... And maybe actually get a hunting licence before going for a stroll in the woods with a gun.
 
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MikeD said:
Turns out he's being cited already...for not having the proper hunting license. And of course, he says he already mailed the fee in...naturally.

Honestly, this should make the normally remote Cheny seem more likeable to the majority of the Bush base...I mean, what real downhome American HASN'T accidentally shot his buddy while hunting without a license?

MD
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Hey, he shot a lawyer... how bad is that anyway?
 
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kidwoo said:
Yeah I read coulter's column and then see damn true come up with a topic. I listen to rush when I'm in the car and see n7 repeat the bs.

Pathetic little sheeple.
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Don't listen to Rush... don't like him.



He's way too f'ing liberal for me.
 
MikeD

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DaveW said:
One of the first rules in hunting is "Identify your target"

The clown should be made to do a gun safety course.... And maybe actually get a hunting licence before going for a stroll in the woods with a gun.
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Dave, to be fair, we weren't there. And he may have well identified his target...could be completely on the other guy for coming up on his own hunting party unannounced from the downrange direction. Might have been concealed behind foliage or whatever, and could have been shot as Cheny tracked his legitimate target. Also could have been gross negligence entirely on Cheny's part.

Plus, a hunting license wouldn't have changed whether the guy was shot or not. I mean, go ahead dislike Cheny for everything else, but I don't think any of us really do (or ever will) know what actually happened, regardless of our desire to project negatives or positives on the situation.

So I'm all for mean-spirited humor...it's my MO anyhow...but I don't think anyone can make a condemnation of the guy in earnest unless they were there, or they're sitting on a jury, which likely won't happen in this case anyhow.

MD
 
MikeD

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Totally. Let's get back to funny stuff in bad taste before I start quoting 18 USC 1112/1113 and pointing out that 'attempted manslaughter' requires specific intent...

MD
 
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kidwoo said:
And you single out that particular post to be ashamed of in lieu of others because???.....?????????

The guy is a living, breathing regurgitation of his environment. What did you expect? Insight?
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My lumps, my hump...
 
sanjuro

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There was an editorial in the NY Times critical of Cheney and the White House (surprising from the Times), saying they were ineffective compared to the city's cleanup after the blizzard.

I just don't understand how this shooting incident is indicitive of the (bad) job which Bush/Cheney are doing running the country. While they might have been slow to get the story out, this was hardly some cover-up.
 
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sanjuro said:
There was an editorial in the NY Times critical of Cheney and the White House (surprising from the Times), saying they were ineffective compared to the city's cleanup after the blizzard.

I just don't understand how this shooting incident is indicitive of the (bad) job which Bush/Cheney are doing running the country. While they might have been slow to get the story out, this was hardly some cover-up.
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It's indicative of the way that Bush/Cheney act as if they aren't accountable to anyone.
 
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