[Changleen]

http://www.etaiwannews.com/China/2004/11/02/1099359663.htm

China blasts Bush as 'arrogant' ahead of presidential poll

China criticized U.S. President George W. Bush's war on Iraq yesterday, accusing an "arrogant" United States of trying to "rule the world" and blaming the U.S.-led invasion for sparking an increase in terrorist attacks.

In a rare commentary by former vice-premier and former longtime foreign minister Qian Qichen, China broke its practice of not commenting on U.S. presidential candidates and chastised Bush for his foreign policies.

"The philosophy of the 'Bush Doctrine' is in essence force," Qian said in the government-run English-language China Daily.

"It advocates the United States should rule over the whole world with overwhelming force, military force in particular."

While backing Bush's anti-terrorism efforts, China opposed the war in Iraq and sees the U.S. administration's policies as an example of superpower hegemonism, which Beijing frequently rails against.

"The current U.S. predicament in Iraq serves as another example that when a country's superiority psychology inflates beyond its real capability, a lot of trouble can be caused," Qian said.

"But the troubles and disasters the United States has met do not stem from threats by others, but from its own cocksureness and arrogance."

Far from winning peace for itself and the Arab world, Washington has "opened a Pandora's box," intensifying ethnic and religious conflicts, he argued.

"The Iraq war was an optional war, not a necessary one, and the pre-emptive principle should be removed from the dictionary of the U.S. national security, former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright also said," Qian wrote, citing the Clinton administration official.

Mounting hostile sentiments in the Muslim world towards the United States have already helped al-Qaida recruit more followers and suicide martyrs, Qian argued.

"The Iraq War has also destroyed the hard-won global anti-terror coalition," he said. "Instead of dropping, the number of terrorist activities throughout the world is now on the increase."

The commentary came a day before the elections tomorrow.

Apparantly the White House is taking issue with the 'wants to rule the world' bit, despite that it's pretty much a quote from that famous PNAC document.

 

[valve bouncer]

A pretty good analysis. But coming from China? Come on now. Sort of lacks a little "moral punch", don't you think?

 

[Damn True]

http://www.etaiwannews.com/China/2004/11/02/1099359663.htm


Apparantly the White House is taking issue with the 'wants to rule the world' bit, despite that it's pretty much a quote from that famous PNAC document.

You mean this China?

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/07/08/china9022.htm
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/03/22/china8159.htm
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/18/china6762.htm
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/tibet071503.htm
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/china070903.htm
http://www.hrw.org/update/2003/04.html#10
http://hrw.org/advocacy/internet/dissidents/7.htm
http://hrw.org/advocacy/internet/dissidents/8.htm
http://hrw.org/press/2003/03/tibet031103.htm

 

[BurlyShirley]

According to a Whitehouse Spokesperson, President Bush is said to have responded to the Chinese verbal assault by pulling his eyes into a slant with his index fingers and shouting "Cha Cha Cha" and then karate chopped a loaf of bread.

 

[Changleen]

A pretty good analysis. But coming from China? Come on now. Sort of lacks a little "moral punch", don't you think?

I actually can't remember seeing a moral highground anywhere recently.

 

[DRB]

I actually can't remember seeing a moral highground anywhere recently.

Sure, the Pot is standing on it.

 

[Changleen]

Sure, the Pot is standing on it.

Looks like a kettle from where I'm standing.

 

[Changleen]

You mean this China?

Yeah, and this America:

 

[valve bouncer]

I actually can't remember seeing a moral highground anywhere recently.

True enough but really, China? As much as I dislike Bush and his cronies comparing them to China just cheapens your arguement.

 

[Changleen]

True enough but really, China? As much as I dislike Bush and his cronies comparing them to China just cheapens your arguement.

Fair enough, but what the dude said is pretty much spot on.

"The Iraq War has also destroyed the hard-won global anti-terror coalition," he said. "Instead of dropping, the number of terrorist activities throughout the world is now on the increase."

 

[Silver]

You know it's getting bad when Osama bin Laden sounds like a history professor to our President's retarded Texas fratbo...er...uh...sh!t.

 

[Changleen]

You know it's getting bad when Osama bin Laden sounds like a history professor to our President's retarded Texas fratbo...er...uh...sh!t.

Too true.

 

[Damn True]

Yeah, and this America:

Ok, lets breakdown these photos:
a) Prisoners of war, enemy combatants being held in a camp. Should we let them go?

b) Hippie protesters in SFO who were halting the movement of emergency services and vandalizing public and private propety. Should we not arrest someone for that?

c) Logging. My house is made of wood isn't yours? BTW I was in New Zealand this summer and there is clear cutting there too.

d) Abu Graeb (sp?) prisoner abuse. Morally reprehensible. The actions of a few a-hole soldiers. Not a matter of Govt. policy as opposed to the Tiennamen (sp?) Square incidents. Considered abhorent by EVERYONE. They are currently facing court marshall.

e) Context my friend. Those soldiers are guarding a distribution of food and relief supplies. You can't just grab stuff off google images and expect it to back up a 1/2-a$$ed argument. Here is the site you got the pic from http://www.brandonblog.homestead.com

 

[Toshi]

Context my friend.

You mean this China?

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/07/08/china9022.htm
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/03/22/china8159.htm
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/18/china6762.htm
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/tibet071503.htm
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/china070903.htm
http://www.hrw.org/update/2003/04.html#10
http://hrw.org/advocacy/internet/dissidents/7.htm
http://hrw.org/advocacy/internet/dissidents/8.htm
http://hrw.org/press/2003/03/tibet031103.htm

. not that i'm defending china's actions in tianamen square.

 

[Changleen]

Ok, lets breakdown these photos:
a) Prisoners of war, enemy combatants being held in a camp. Should we let them go?

b) Hippie protesters in SFO who were halting the movement of emergency services and vandalizing public and private propety. Should we not arrest someone for that?

c) Logging. My house is made of wood isn't yours? BTW I was in New Zealand this summer and there is clear cutting there too.

d) Abu Graeb (sp?) prisoner abuse. Morally reprehensible. The actions of a few a-hole soldiers. Not a matter of Govt. policy as opposed to the Tiennamen (sp?) Square incidents. Considered abhorent by EVERYONE. They are currently facing court marshall.

e) Context my friend. Those soldiers are guarding a distribution of food and relief supplies. You can't just grab stuff off google images and expect it to back up a 1/2-a$$ed argument. Here is the site you got the pic from http://www.brandonblog.homestead.com

Whatever dude. They were a few images I pulled up in a few seconds to illustrate the lack of point in your post. Are you arguing with the point the Chinaman made or just threadjacking because you've lost this argument?

 

[Damn True]

Whatever dude? Nice rebuttal. You attempted to show that the US is on the same lavel as China in terms of civil rights abuse.

I'm saying that China is pretty far back in the line of countries that has a right to throw stones.

 

[Changleen]

Whatever dude? Nice rebuttal. You attempted to show that the US is on the same lavel as China in terms of civil rights abuse.

Ah, you know the innermost workings of my mind now? This thread is about the article I posted. Do you disagree with what it says?

I'm saying that China is pretty far back in the line of countries that has a right to throw stones.

Maybe, but the US is at the front of the line to get them thrown at it right now.

 

[Damn True]

A country that is currently imprisoning by military force and stealing the right to practice ones faith (Tibet) is in no place to comment on another countries war.

.....and this is an outright falsehood..""The Iraq War has also destroyed the hard-won global anti-terror coalition," We have doubled the number of countries in the coalition since the war in Iraq started.

China is squeezing sour grapes because they were trying to get in on the rebuilding contracts.

 

[Changleen]

A country that is currently imprisoning by military force and stealing the right to practice ones faith is in no place to comment on another countries war.

.....and this is an outright falsehood..""The Iraq War has also destroyed the hard-won global anti-terror coalition," We have doubled the number of countries in the coalition since the war in Iraq started.

China is squeezing sour grapes because they were trying to get in on the rebuilding contracts.

Bwahahahaha. OK, you're a lost cause. Go vote Republican, denial boy.

 

[Damn True]

Denial?

So China ISN'T guilty of imprisoning Tibet? Uh, yes they are Changleen.

Has the number of coalition countries not grown over 100%? Uh, yes it has Changleen.

Was China not trying to get rebuilding contracts? Uh, yes it was Changleen.

 

[Changleen]

A country that is currently imprisoning by military force and stealing the right to practice ones faith (Tibet) is in no place to comment on another countries war.

Guantanamo. Too easy. Give me another.

.....and this is an outright falsehood..""The Iraq War has also destroyed the hard-won global anti-terror coalition," We have doubled the number of countries in the coalition since the war in Iraq started.

Bwahahaha. Do you know how pathetic that sounds?

China is squeezing sour grapes because they were trying to get in on the rebuilding contracts.

China is criticising your President because he's an ASSHOLE!

 

[N8 v2.0]

Bush's style is much better than Kerry who is 'flacid and arrogant'...