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Chinese protests against Japan.

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Master Dildoist
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Don't know how much prominence this has been given where you all are but obviously it has been a bit of a talking point here. In a nutshell the Chinese are apparently unhappy that revised Japanese school textbooks have been deliberately downplaying Japan's part in WW2. Japanese consulates and businesses in various cities have been vandalised and a few Japanese people hurt albiet not seriously.
A few thoughts. The Japanese have been making noises about permanent membership of the UN Security Council. The Chinese as the only Asian member are not looking favourably on this given the history of the 2 countries. This for me is the most likely scenario
 
Toshi

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what is the most likely scenario? i've been following the story idly on bbc. it's amazing how worked up both sides get, with the protests and demand for apology...
 
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Master Dildoist
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Toshi said:
what is the most likely scenario? i've been following the story idly on bbc. it's amazing how worked up both sides get, with the protests and demand for apology...
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Just from talking with the locals here Toshi, they're a bit sort "what the f*cks up their arse" kind of thing. I mean the Chinese protestors are smashing windows at consulates and so on. That sort of sh*t is not on. You can't be doing that sort of stuff. Look the Chinese have got a legitimate beef fair enough, Japan has not properly atoned for the war and if the Japanese government had any clues at all they would do that and completely strip the protestors of any legitimacy. But the current political situation in Japan makes that impossible. But anyway the protests aren't about Japan. The Chinese government cracks down hard on dissent so the pressure builds and the kids wanna go off at something and it can't be their f*cked up government so Japan is an easy terget. The Chinese government realises this at lets them vent steam. It'll blow over and neither government will gain anything. Utter f*cken stupitidy.
 
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valve bouncer said:
Just from talking with the locals here Toshi, they're a bit sort "what the f*cks up their arse" kind of thing. I mean the Chinese protestors are smashing windows at consulates and so on. That sort of sh*t is not on. You can't be doing that sort of stuff. Look the Chinese have got a legitimate beef fair enough, Japan has not properly atoned for the war and if the Japanese government had any clues at all they would do that and completely strip the protestors of any legitimacy. But the current political situation in Japan makes that impossible. But anyway the protests aren't about Japan. The Chinese government cracks down hard on dissent so the pressure builds and the kids wanna go off at something and it can't be their f*cked up government so Japan is an easy terget. The Chinese government realises this at lets them vent steam. It'll blow over and neither government will gain anything. Utter f*cken stupitidy.
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Your last sentance pretty well sums it up.
Although Japan has never really said "I'm sorry" for the bad stuff they did in WWII I don't think China has a real leg to stand on in terms of human rights criticism.
 
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And check this out if you have not already...
From CNN
SHANGHAI, China (AP) -- Some things you won't find in Chinese history textbooks: the 1989 democracy movement, the millions who died in a famine caused by misguided communist policies or China's military attacks on India and Vietnam.

As China criticizes Japan for new textbooks that critics say minimize wartime abuses like the Japanese military forcing Asian women into sexual slavery, Beijing's own schoolbooks have significant omissions about the communist system's own history and relations with its neighbors.

"With rising Chinese nationalism, the efforts to rewrite history, to reinterpret history according to the demands of nationalism have become a major national pastime," said Maochun Yu, a history professor at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.

Experts say China's textbooks are written to heighten a sense of national victimhood and glorify the Communist Party that seized power in a 1949 revolution and lashes out at any threat to its rule.

The books describe those who died fighting Japan and other outsiders as having "gloriously sacrificed" themselves for China.

Propaganda paintings reproduced in schoolbooks show Chinese struggling against foreign invaders -- poses imitated by protesters who threw rocks at the Japanese Embassy in Beijing over the weekend during violent anti-Japanese demonstrations in several Chinese cities.

An eighth-grade history book used in Shanghai, China's most cosmopolitan city, repeatedly refers to Japanese by an insulting phrase that roughly translates as "Jap bandits."

The book focuses on Japanese atrocities and repeats China's claim that 35 million Chinese died or were injured during their 1937-45 war.

"Wherever the Japanese army went, they burned, killed, stole and plundered," the book says. "There was no wickedness they didn't commit."

Omissions of major events appear aimed at shoring up China's image of itself as a non-aggressor, especially since the 1949 revolution.

The books don't mention the brief but bloody 1962 border war with India that broke out when Chinese troops attacked Indian positions to enforce territorial claims.

There is nothing on the 1979 war when Chinese troops attacked Vietnam. The assault was ordered to punish Hanoi for ousting the murderous Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia, which was an ally of Beijing.

Also missing:


The 1989 crackdown on democracy demonstrations, when Chinese troops killed hundreds and possibly thousands of unarmed protesters.


The estimated 30 million Chinese who starved to death during the 1958-61 "Great Leap Forward," revolutionary leader Mao Zedong's attempt to speed up China's farm and factory output through mass collectivization.

Textbooks gloss over ally North Korea's invasion of South Korea at the start of the 1950-53 Korean War, a conflict that drew in troops from the United States and other countries on the side of the South and China's army in support of the North.

The texts say only that "civil war broke out," without mentioning how it started. America is portrayed as an invader that forced Beijing to intervene by threatening Chinese territory.

A seventh-grade text also accuses the U.S. military of using biological weapons during the Korean War, repeating a claim made by China, North Korea and the former Soviet Union during the Cold War but never proven.

While Japan's distortions of its history appear driven by a reluctance to accept shame, China's are aimed at preserving communist rule, said Sin-ming Shaw, a China scholar at Oxford University in England.

"Not owning up is a calculated political policy," Shaw said.

 
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springfield1911

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Eh, if my country was invaded, got a bunch of the women raped, civilians cut open, burned alive, slaughtered, and ruled over, and after the war the morons who did it insists it never happened, I would be a little upset too. Just think how much we hate the French and they haven't done anything in N America since the French-Indian war, the reaction in Asia is pretty toned down. Besides, I traveled there a decade back and the Jap-worshipping was getting a little scary. At least those folks remember history, something American kids seem to be really bad at...
 
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