So what, N8 jr.?stinkyboy said:
Yea, it's great that an American mother who lost her son in a bullsh*t war was arrested for protesting the war.N8 said::applause:
Tenchiro said:Nice to know that the 1st ammendment is alive and well in our nations capital...
Tenchiro said:Nice to know that the 1st ammendment is alive and well in our nations capital...
dood you actually think she has/had a legitimate message and isn't a complete wack job?Mtb_Rob_FL said:They sat down knowing that is what would get them arrested. If they would of just kept marching they would have been fine.
But just marching wasnt getting enough press, so getting arrested became the goal. Like I said before, it is so sad that such a good person that was being very effective with her message is now listening to people with their own agenda.
Hey, it's a pissing-on-amendment party. Two down, why stop now? Let's just toss them all. Yay Patriot Act!!!N8 said:Right up there with the 2nd Amendment...
ohio said:Hey, it's a pissing-on-amendment party. Two down, why stop now? Let's just toss them all. Yay Patriot Act!!!
(Are you suggesting, that because the 2nd amendment is "under attack" that it's OKAY that the 1st is also?)
That would be terrible. How else would I defend my home from the redcoats coming into my house and stealing my tea?ridetoofast said:are you actually admitting that there is an agenda to weaken or completely destroy the 2nd amendment? cough, cough, hand gun inc. etc...
The only thing funny is all the rednecks I grew up around thinking the 2nd amendment is threatened when people get concerned about the large number of unlicensed hand guns and ak47s and try to do something about it.ridetoofast said:be sarcastic and laugh now...some day you will regret it
kidwoo said:The only thing funny is all the rednecks I grew up around thinking the 2nd amendment is threatened when people get concerned about the large number of unlicensed hand guns and ak47s and try to do something about it.
Where the hell do you *think* you live? You a gangsta?
Of all the problems you will be faced with in your life, the gubbamint trying to take your firearms will certainly not be one of the greatest you face.
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Your 'you just wait hippy' internet toughness bs crap will be welcomed with open arms.
When it comes down to it, the 2nd amendment is the one that insures the rest will stay in place.kidwoo said:In all fairness maybe I read a little too much into "you will regret it".
You get so angry sometimes, maybe this isn't one of those times though.
So explain to me why one day I'll regret it if for some reason, it's illegal for me to own a firearm.......which I honestly beleive will never happen........and I even live in the people's republic of california mind you.
I fear a gubbamint that wants to know what I'm checking out of the library much more so than one that wants gun control.........which this one obviously doesn't with the repeal of the assault weapons ban....which threatened my ownership of an ak 47.........which I need soooo badly.........to protect my tea.
Got an example of this? I know it's on a lot of t-shirts and bumper stickers so it must be true but can you give me an example......say........since 1900?Tenchiro said:When it comes down to it, the 2nd amendment is the one that insures the rest will stay in place.
Bingo......Tenchiro said:When it comes down to it, the 2nd amendment is the one that insures the rest will stay in place.
David Koresh, Randy Weaver....kidwoo said:Got an example of this? I know it's on a lot of t-shirts and bumper stickers so it must be true but can you give me an example......say........since 1900?
Quite the contrary in my mind. Lots of folks still have the right to bear arms yet the patriot act still passed. Should I go shoot all the folks in congress who voted for the bill that this thing was piggybacked onto? Cuz I'd really like to do that.
Well sure, but the fact that I can curl up with my AK at night makes me feel better about the fact that the Feds can now videotape me doing it without my knowledge...kidwoo said:Lots of folks still have the right to bear arms yet the patriot act still passed.
Look up the Indian Arms Act of 1878kidwoo said:Got an example of this? I know it's on a lot of t-shirts and bumper stickers so it must be true but can you give me an example......say........since 1900?
All I could find was the indian arms act of 1959.......which was a licensing thing.Tenchiro said:Look up the Indian Arms Act of 1878
The premise of the act in 1878 was to remove all arms from the Indian population, specifically so that they could not rebel against the British. Do you think Hitler allowed the Polish or the French citizenship to have weapons?kidwoo said:All I could find was the indian arms act of 1959.......which was a licensing thing.
Are you talking about this?
A treaty of 26 December 1878 between Great Britain and Portugal had laid down that the armed forces of the two Governments should not enter the Indian dominions of the other
The relevence to our modern american world and personal gun ownership is astounding.
So you can't come up with anything since radio and television have existed?
Tenchiro said:The premise of the act in 1878 was to remove all arms from the Indian population, specifically so that they could not rebel against the British. Do you think Hitler allowed the Polish or the French citizenship to have weapons?
The point being is that they had a need to rise up against their government, and the government did it's best to prevent this. Out founding fathers just insured that if(when) the time arises for us to rise up again, that we will have the means to do so.
If you want something more relevant to our current society, think about all the recent maniacs shooting up schools and offices. Schools and office buildings have one thing in common, guns are not allowed. As such, that is where the manicacs go to kill lots of people. I mean when is the last time you heard of an NRA convention or gun show massacre?
If you want to know the reason the 2nd amendment was added just read some quotes on the subject by our founding fathers.
......Kind of like arresting peaceful war protesters. They should have shot at the cops?Tenchiro said:The point being is that they had a need to rise up against their government, and the government did it's best to prevent this.
But don't you see the argument for gun control in that statement? The fewer there are around in general available to the "maniacs", the less likely this scenario. I see your point but it's kind of weak....those in charge of security should be the ONLY ones even considered legal to carry the things.....or so the argument goes. Personally, I've been around guns for a lot of my life. But not ONCE have I ever seen them used to defend the constitution by common, non-governmental folk.....which is what you said that started this. I personally would rather see a ban on stupidity because I think it would go a lot further than gun control.Tenchiro said:If you want something more relevant to our current society, think about all the recent maniacs shooting up schools and offices. Schools and office buildings have one thing in common, guns are not allowed.
There was a guy who shot his buddy's leg at a gun show in Jacksonville, Florida when I was in high school there.Tenchiro said:As such, that is where the manicacs go to kill lots of people. I mean when is the last time you heard of an NRA convention or gun show massacre?
I wasn't kidding about defending my tea from the redcoats.Tenchiro said:If you want to know the reason the 2nd amendment was added just read some quotes on the subject by our founding fathers.
Well I don't think it would be divided in such a manner, but I do think that one day (hopefully not anytime soon) that it will happen.ohio said:In this day and age, do you really think an armed citizenry could stand up to the combined Federal, State, and Local military and police forces in the US?
Say for example it came down to Local + State vs. Federal.... do you think the arms provided by citizenry would constitute a significant fraction of that state and local force? Manpower yes, I agree... arms, well I'd like to see some stats.Tenchiro said:Well I don't think it would be divided in such a manner, but I do think that one day (hopefully not anytime soon) that it will happen.
Now that is a WAY different situation.kidwoo said:......Kind of like arresting peaceful war protesters. They should have shot at the cops?
The only thing a ban on guns would do is keep them out of the hands of honest citizens. Criminals would still seek them out. It's not like the ban on drugs did anything but drive up prices, because it certainly isn't hard to get them if you want them.But don't you see the argument for gun control in that statement? The fewer there are around in general available to the "maniacs", the less likely this scenario. I see your point but it's kind of weak....those in charge of security should be the ONLY ones even considered legal to carry the things.....or so the argument goes.
You could say the same thing about cars. They can be just as dangerous. In fact I bet if you look up the murders involving cars, vs those involving guns I bet automobiles would come out WAY ahead.There was a guy who owns a convenience store here who shot a 16 year old in the back for stealing a 6-pack. It made national news, I'll find it for you if you want. Then there's silver's koresh-types. So yes I think guns should be hard to come by because they are misused far more than they are used to defend you constitution by you or your neighbors.
My point being that not only have we had to before, but eventually we will have to again. That is why this protection is afforded in the basic tenents of our government. While we may live in a totally different world now, it doesn't change anything. Injustice will always be present, and when people have had enough they will rise up, no matter if theere are cameras around or not.In my mind you still haven't presented me with a relevant argument. Whatever goes on this country does so under a scrutiny of media, international and otherwise that hasn't existed until fairly recently.
Maybe so, but that isn't a good enough reson to disallow honest citizens the protections afforded them byt the founders of our country.What it really boils down to in my mind is just some macho image of one's right to have a very powerful weapon in their possession and justifying it by whatever means you can. People use a powerful icon like the constitution to do it,
While I agree that Godwin's law is imposed all too readily in internet debates, in this situation Hitler's views on gun control are wholly apporpriate to this discussion.just like people readily grab hitler's name whenever they want to make a point.
While a head to head conflict between citizen militias and local law enforcement could do very little against the whole of our military. Look at what has been happening in Iraq, the insurgency there is a valuable lesson in geurilla warfare.ohio said:Say for example it came down to Local + State vs. Federal.... do you think the arms provided by citizenry would constitute a significant fraction of that state and local force? Manpower yes, I agree... arms, well I'd like to see some stats.
Hahah.....Hippy!!!Tenchiro said:when people have had enough they will rise up.
ohio said:Well sure, but the fact that I can curl up with my AK at night makes me feel better about the fact that the Feds can now videotape me doing it without my knowledge...