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Jm_

Jm_

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mykel said:
Fake news!
The climate has always changed!

Had this discussion with an friend who was banging on about how it was all bullshit and that he was told in school years ago that we were supposed to be getting colder and having an ice-age. He did a double take when I confirmed that we are supposed to be getting colder, but not necessarily ice-age levels. Then I had to explain about the long term wobble (41 000 yrs) in earths orbit around the sun known as Milankovitch cycles. According to the data we are in a cooling phase, but we have also known since Arrhenius' paper in 1896 that man-made co2 emissions would have a warming effect. So, that means that currently our man made warming is actually countering the natural cooling cycle. Then showed him long term time-framed (course of human history so, ~200 000 years of ice-core data) hockey stick graph which shows the natural cycles, then in the last 200 years how the temp rise has totally destroyed the natural time component.

Finally, he is about my age, so asked him to remember when we actually had consistent cold winters. He had his kids out for Halloween in summer clothes and I had to remind him about trick or treating in the snow was not out of the ordinary when we were kids.

Not sure If I totally got through to him, but I at least made him think.
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The classic mistake they ALL make is that they say that because the temp changed before, that the current climate change is just natural.

The correlations that have been made and confirmed show that it's the RATE OF CHANGE in the time period that shows the change. It's not how much, or that it's gotten hot/cold before...it's the RATE OF CHANGE since CO2 started going into the atmosphere.

You can usually stump those idiots by just getting them to tell you what they think the theory is here, when they don't even know what the theory is, they are totally unqualified to have an opinion on it IMO.
 
jimmydean

jimmydean

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6thElement

6thElement

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johnbryanpeters said:
Long read, but worth it:

yaleclimateconnections.org

When will climate change turn life in the U.S. upside down? » Yale Climate Connections

Intensifying extreme weather events and an insurance crisis are likely to cause significant economic and political disruption in the U.S. sometime in the next 15 years.
yaleclimateconnections.org yaleclimateconnections.org
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It touches on some of the reasons we're selling and looking to move. Not that we want to, but simultaneously we need to before our house won't sell.
 
chuffer

chuffer

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Sep 2, 2004
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“Lean into the oar”?

How exactly? By buying renewable energy from my local utility at a premium even though it is more affordable in some cases than non-renewable? Or perhaps I should buy a new car? Or is it a new house that I should buy, but only if it is in a location approved by insurance company shareholders…

Sorry, but everywhere I look I see people thinking and professing that “consuming our way out is the answer.” It’s not. The underlying problem is that we consume too much.

1st world / western countries need to stop 1) consuming more more 2) drop the belief that “growth is good.”

Sinking all super yachts and confiscating all private jets would be a good first step. Do that first and maybe I’ll put my shoulder to an oar…
 
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Changleen

Changleen

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chuffer said:
“Lean into the oar”?

How exactly? By buying renewable energy from my local utility at a premium even though it is more affordable in some cases than non-renewable? Or perhaps I should buy a new car? Or is it a new house that I should buy, but only if it is in a location approved by insurance company shareholders…

Sorry, but everywhere I look I see people thinking and professing that “consuming our way out is the answer.” It’s not. The underlying problem is that we consume too much.

1st world / western countries need to stop 1) consuming more more 2) drop the belief that “growth is good.”

Sinking all super yachts and confiscating all private jets would be a good first step. Do that first and maybe I’ll put my shoulder to an oar…
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No, as an individual you should be signalling with your purchases that you value green products and solutions as far as possible, and you should #StopBurningStuff.
 
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