[Silver]

Now, a little local news:

But first, I remember saying a long time ago (I think it was in a discussion about Bush or Ashcroft) that I wouldn't vote for an evangelical Christian for kingergarten class president. My rationale was that I don't want people in charge making decisions and then appealing to an unseen being as a justification.

This would be an object lesson for that philosophy:

School Board Could Lose Money for Rejecting Discrimination Code

 

[911]

"I might take a lot of heat for it today, but the rewards are going to be great in heaven," said board member Judy Ahrens.

Right... never mind that you'd be denying 10,000 kids the basic funding they need to get get a decent education... as long as everyone's happy after they die.

 

[ummbikes]

Christians in power need to read 1Corinthinans Chapter 5. It talks about sexual immorality and when and how Chrisitans are to deal with the issue.

These people are playing God. As I recall He gets to judge not us.

 

[ito]

seperation of church and state what?!?

The public office is supposed to serve as a voice of the people, not be their moral leader. I think these folks need to rethink why they are on the school board and listen to a voice of reason.

The Ito

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by ito
seperation of church and state what?!?

The public office is supposed to serve as a voice of the people, not be their moral leader. I think these folks need to rethink why they are on the school board and listen to a voice of reason.

The Ito

In some places, as in my home state, the voice of the people is christian. As are their elected officials in most cases. Im not saying that's the case here...but the reason we elect people is to express our morals through a governing body.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by ummbikes
Christians in power need to read 1Corinthinans Chapter 5. It talks about sexual immorality and when and how Chrisitans are to deal with the issue.

These people are playing God. As I recall He gets to judge not us.

we are called to judge our own, "after taking the plank out of our eye".

but i need to know, silver, are these board members elected by the population? i guess i need to know how many allegiances do they have? It seems to me they represent the majority view of Orange co, no?

i caught a cut & paste error by the editors right at the end of the article:

"The frustrating part is that I can't seem to get them to see that this is about the law. I can understand that they have intense emotional concerns about this, but that does not change the fact that we must be in compliance with the law."

i think this was supposed to be in one of the articles talking about the activist mayors performing gay marriage ceremonies.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by $tinkle
we
i caught a cut & paste error by the editors right at the end of the article:i think this was supposed to be in one of the articles talking about the activist mayors performing gay marriage ceremonies.

word.

Its only good to stand up for what you beleive in if youre rooting for the underdog

 

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by $tinkle
we are called to judge our own, "after taking the plank out of our eye".

Uh, so ya, I guess that answers the PM I sent you.

 

[ito]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
In some places, as in my home state, the voice of the people is christian. As are their elected officials in most cases. Im not saying that's the case here...but the reason we elect people is to express our morals through a governing body.

Express the morals of the people, sure, but not tell them what those morals should be. From the article it sounds that the public is displeased with the officials making this a personal matter to themselves and not acting in the best interest of the community.

The Ito

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by ito
Express the morals of the people, sure, but not tell them what those morals should be. From the article it sounds that the public is displeased with the officials making this a personal matter to themselves and not acting in the best interest of the community.

The Ito

Yes, from the article................

We know though, that a newspaper's job is to make money, not make everyone feel happy. Id venture to guess that a good part of the populace does agree...but controversy moves units.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
In some places, as in my home state, the voice of the people is christian. As are their elected officials in most cases. Im not saying that's the case here...but the reason we elect people is to express our morals through a governing body.

well, people deserve the governors they elect.

if you want to elect some weird religiuos fanatic, then go ahead, and everything he makes will be what you deserve for making such a decision.

i think thats has something to do with the southern states of the US being as fvcked up as they are. as a matter of fact, that has to do a lot with every poor zone in the world.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by $tinkle

but i need to know, silver, are these board members elected by the population? i guess i need to know how many allegiances do they have? It seems to me they represent the majority view of Orange co, no?

i caught a cut & paste error by the editors right at the end of the article:i think this was supposed to be in one of the articles talking about the activist mayors performing gay marriage ceremonies.

I'm pretty sure they are elected in local elections. The thing is, if they were reflecting the majority view in Orange County they'd probably take race off of the list of things you can't discriminate against so that Buffy and Kirk don't have to go to elementary school with Felipe and Tyrone.

The key difference between the gay marriage thing and this?

Anyone?

How about the fact that the Westminster school board is seeking to allow discrimination (for really stupid reasons, may I add) while the mayor of San Francisco was doing something that expanded the right of the population to live as they choose.

And for the record, I wouldn't vote for an evangelical Jew (is there such a thing?) or an evangelical Muslim or Buddhist or Scientologist either...

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Silver
The key difference between the gay marriage thing and this?

Anyone?

How about the fact that the Westminster school board is seeking to allow discrimination (for really stupid reasons, may I add) while the mayor of San Francisco was doing something that expanded the right of the population to live as they choose.

seeing how i don't feel anyone has right to be married (it's a privilege), i'm not wit ya.

are they really seeking to allow discrimination? i thought it's currently allowed & they're resisting a change in that policy.

could be a distinction w/o a difference.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by $tinkle
seeing how i don't feel anyone has right to be married (it's a privilege), i'm not wit ya.

are they really seeking to allow discrimination? i thought it's currently allowed & they're resisting a change in that policy.

could be a distinction w/o a difference.

marriage is a right, not a privilige, you dont have to do something to deserve it, other than being human.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Originally posted by $tinkle
seeing how i don't feel anyone has right to be married (it's a privilege), i'm not wit ya.

are they really seeking to allow discrimination? i thought it's currently allowed & they're resisting a change in that policy.

could be a distinction w/o a difference.

"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." --Chinese Proverb



hmm, your signature seems kinda related to the gay marriage thing.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by ALEXIS_DH
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." --Chinese Proverb



hmm, your signature seems kinda related to the gay marriage thing.

that's a stretch at best, yo. No one's saying it isnt possible, just that its not acceptable.

 

[911]

"The board of a small Orange County school district is refusing to adopt state regulations to prevent discrimination against transsexuals and others who want to define their gender"

So by refusing to prevent discrimination... they must favor people of alternative sexualities being discriminated against. You guys really support this? You think these people really deserve to be discriminated against because of innate feelings they possess?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by 911

You think these people really deserve to be discriminated against because of innate feelings they possess?

No, i think they deserve to be descriminated against because elementary school is not the place to introduce such things to young children.

 

[Tenchiro]

If people want religion to control the laws, they can f*cking move to Saudi Arabia and joing the Mutaween.

 

[911]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
No, i think they deserve to be descriminated against because elementary school is not the place to introduce such things to young children.

Why shelter children from the true nature of our world? Why not teach them that things aren't always black and white in life? How about opening them up to the fact that humanity expresses itself through its unique diversity... diversity that manifests itself in all aspects of human nature.

End result? A more tolerant, accecpting, and open-minded society... but maybe that's what you fear most.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by 911
Why shelter children from the true nature of our world? Why not teach them that things aren't always black and white in life? How about opening them up to the fact that humanity expresses itself through its unique diversity... diversity that manifests itself in all aspects of human nature.

Because that's not the 'True Nature' of humanity its a very small minority getting the chance to influence something it has no business bothering; the so-far untainted mind of a child. Sure, a kid can learn about these things, but other than math and english, alot of other life lessons are learned in the classroom. Id prefer my child learn those from someone who leads a comparitively 'normal' lifestyle. A cross-dresser/transgender/transexual knows f***all about teaching someone what is right and wrong in the minds of most the families I know.
Dont get me wrong...these guys gotta make a living too, but Id prefer it somewhere where they dont interact with small children. Perhaps high school where kids capable of comprehending what the hell is going on can make a judgement on something without it being forced on them.

 

[911]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
A cross-dresser/transgender/transexual knows f***all about teaching someone what is right and wrong

Have you ever met someone of an alternative sexuality? You act as if these people are deranged lunitics who would corrupt the minds of our youth... news flash: aside from their sexual prefrence, these people are as normal as you and me.

Just because such a lifestyle isn't the "social norm", does that mean we should shelter children from it, deny its very existance? You said yourself, "sure a kid can learn about these things"... well I agree. Kids are capable of handling the knowledge that sexuality isn't black and white. I think a lot of the problems we have today with homophobia and social intolerance stem from the fact that kids have historically been sheltered from such discussions. I recently saw a poll which showed that younger generations are far more accecpting of alternative sexuality than older ones... the reason suggested was that older generations grew up in a world where such activities were considered taboo, while today's youth are increasingly exposed to these lifestyles as relatively normal human practices.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Because that's not the 'True Nature' of humanity its a very small minority getting the chance to influence something it has no business bothering; the so-far untainted mind of a child. Sure, a kid can learn about these things, but other than math and english, alot of other life lessons are learned in the classroom. Id prefer my child learn those from someone who leads a comparitively 'normal' lifestyle. A cross-dresser/transgender/transexual knows f***all about teaching someone what is right and wrong in the minds of most the families I know.
Dont get me wrong...these guys gotta make a living too, but Id prefer it somewhere where they dont interact with small children. Perhaps high school where kids capable of comprehending what the hell is going on can make a judgement on something without it being forced on them.

Once again, please explain to me how this is different from a KKK parent not wanting his child to be taught by a nigger or spic or kike or slope.

After all, if my pure Aryan child gets taught by a dirty nigger, he might pick up nigger traits, y'know. I don't want my son Paul asking for collard greens or a burrito for dinner, dammit.

And I don't want my son to be a fag. God knows that would be enough to make me die.

Edit: Actually, I don't know if a KKK kinda guy would name his son Paul. Sounds kinda Jewish to me...

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by $tinkle
we are called to judge our own, "after taking the plank out of our eye".

Matthew 7.1-5

”Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measurement ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote (speck) that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and them shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

 

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by fluff
Matthew 7.1-5

”Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measurement ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote (speck) that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and them shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

We are called to judge our brothers, not the world.

 

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
If people want religion to control the laws, they can f*cking move to Saudi Arabia and joing the Mutaween.

TBBXC alumni-

WORD!


Peace out


Justin Timberlake

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by 911
Have you ever met someone of an alternative sexuality? You act as if these people are deranged lunitics who would corrupt the minds of our youth... news flash: aside from their sexual prefrence, these people are as normal as you and me.

Yes, plenty.

And dude, its not like I have a personal grudge against people for feeling the way they feel. Someone's 'sexual preference' is not what's in question here at all. What's in question is dudes who dress up like women or 'alter' themselves to change or vice versa. That's not "normal" by any stretch...i dont care how you put it.

To say

aside from their sexual prefrence, these people are as normal as you and me.

is simply incorrect.

Here's a definition for you in case you cant accept what Im saying:
Pronunciation Key (nôrml)
adj.
Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Originally posted by Silver
Once again, please explain to me how this is different from a KKK parent not wanting his child to be taught by a nigger or spic or kike or slope.

Members of different races are still just regular folks to me. If I were a KKK parent, I suppose there would be no difference, but that's not my platform. I would not want a person who habitually glued dead insects to his face to be a teacher either. It just aint right. (IMO of course)

 

[911]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I would not want a person who habitually glued dead insects to his face to be a teacher either.

HA... ok, well at least we agree on something.

And I see you're point about these people not being 'normal' per say... maybe that was the wrong word. What I was trying to convey was that their sexual prefrence has no effect on their mental capacity, or their ability to be a good teacher. Personally, I'd rather have my child taught by a transgendered person who was passionate about their work than another burn-out 'normal' teacher.

Regardless, I still stand by my statement that children should not be sheltered from the natural idiosyncrasies of humanity.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by ummbikes
We are called to judge our brothers, not the world.

You get that from Matthew 7?

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by ALEXIS_DH
"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." --Chinese Proverb



hmm, your signature seems kinda related to the gay marriage thing.

you need to get outta bama, gump.
it's making your head do funny things.

the sig more relates to my riding chops, or improvement thereof.

Originally posted by 911
So by refusing to prevent discrimination... they must favor people of alternative sexualities being discriminated against. You guys really support this? You think these people really deserve to be discriminated against because of innate feelings they possess?

girl scouts discriminates against men being troop leaders (or whatever the equivalent of BSA is). Men have innate feelings for women, and some even for little girls. They can't help it. You're not going to justify existing discrimination are you? I would expect not.

You ever get refused the opportunity to even apply for a certain job? Say, one that requires a certain mobility for lifting, a car & license for delivery, a certain level of formal education, etc.

Discrimination is all around. We are discriminating people. Quit equating discrimination with hate. We should be discerning & reasonable. Having a tranny is a distraction, and more of these thoughts were meted out in the tranny thread a few months back. Doubt my stance has changed since then.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by $tinkle

Discrimination is all around. We are discriminating people. Quit equating discrimination with hate. We should be discerning & reasonable. Having a tranny is a distraction, and more of these thoughts were meted out in the tranny thread a few months back. Doubt my stance has changed since then.

This is all about hate though.

"The rewards will be great in heaven."

Translation: God hates fags.

They just won't come out and say it, so they'll pussyfoot around it.