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Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Short of stopping people gathering together in public places I don't see how you could stop this kind of attack. You can go after it at the source with success that's spotty at best or try a bit more of a long term view and stop the motivation. I know, however, what the Russians are going to do. Expect more attacks.
 

manimal

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Feb 27, 2002
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Short of stopping people gathering together in public places I don't see how you could stop this kind of attack. You can go after it at the source with success that's spotty at best or try a bit more of a long term view and stop the motivation. I know, however, what the Russians are going to do. Expect more attacks.
you can never completely prevent this type of attack but you can drastically reduce the likelihood of an attack through countermeasures and surveillance. however, prevention comes with a price; a price of inconvenience that most citizens (especially in the US) don't want to pay. this particular airport had almost zero countermeasures to prevent or mitigate an attack...it was an easy target.
 

dante

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Feb 13, 2004
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you can never completely prevent this type of attack but you can drastically reduce the likelihood of an attack through countermeasures and surveillance. however, prevention comes with a price; a price of inconvenience that most citizens (especially in the US) don't want to pay. this particular airport had almost zero countermeasures to prevent or mitigate an attack...it was an easy target.
Really? I mean, you have to get to Israeli-style clampdowns before you can even reduce the likelihood of something like this, and even there suicide bombers will target the lines of people waiting to go through a checkpoint. You might have tight security to even enter an airport (I went through this in China just before the Olympics) but then that just shifts the target from inside the airport to the lines of people waiting outside.

Also, while this time the bomber(s) targeted an airport, the devastation would have been similar if he'd done it on a crowded public street, correct? The only way to truly minimize it would be to eliminate crowds, and I can't see that ever happening....
 

stevew

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Sep 21, 2001
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train stations are easier targets....in the US at least....why fvck with airports....
 

manimal

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Feb 27, 2002
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Also, while this time the bomber(s) targeted an airport, the devastation would have been similar if he'd done it on a crowded public street, correct? The only way to truly minimize it would be to eliminate crowds, and I can't see that ever happening....
not necessarily....4lbs of c4 (or homemade derivative) with attached shrapnel will have a much more devastating effect indoors via reflected pressure than outdoors. the main countermeasure, however, is trained personnel specialized in behavioral profiling, well...besides preventing a suicide bomber from ever getting to the target in the first place (interdiction during the planning phases).

there's a whole lot of "stuff" that goes into the prevention/response to suicide bombings (stuff i won't get into on a public forum) but the biggest hindrance to good countermeasures is political will. unfortunately, it'll take some nasty attacks on our soil before the general public realizes the need for security over convenience.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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one bomb at a time...

oh, another wrinkle: Russian president attacks airport security for deadly blast by female suicide bomber

i didn't know their airports had kitchens
To be fair though how many airports in the world do you need to go through security to get into the arrivals hall? None that I've been to and I was in Heathrow earlier this month. This could just as easy happen there or anywhere in America/Europe. I mean you can hardly force people to wait outside in security lines in a Moscow winter.
 

dante

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To be fair though how many airports in the world do you need to go through security to get into the arrivals hall? None that I've been to and I was in Heathrow earlier this month. This could just as easy happen there or anywhere in America/Europe. I mean you can hardly force people to wait outside in security lines in a Moscow winter.
I had to in China just before the Olympics. They were doing a "bomb-sniff" with the machine that tests for explosives as you walked in. So in the little vestibule thing at the entrance, you waited in line to walk in, they tested probably 4-5 people at a time for explosives, then you walked into the departure hall. That's the only time though.
 

Toshi

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Oct 23, 2001
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As long as it's protecting the people from evil-doers instead of say.... cancer?
That stuff about the millimeter wave scanners is in the Constitution, I hear. All this crap about NIH funding isn't mentioned anywhere by the framers