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StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
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got any thoughts to report?

I'd like to order some wet weather rubber, and I'm hesitating between this and the nobby nic in the back. at time of year, most of my riding is up and down, and not strictly (or even mostly) gravity-fed...
Cant say, yet. Looks solid, rolls well enough for what it is, but only two easy rides on it so far.
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
8,492
4,169
Ottawa, Canada
i hated the nn in the rear to climb. Basically no grip on wet roots or rocks.
This is good to know. Do you have a suggestion for what would pair well with a Magic Mary in the front? I feel like the MM and Big Betty have two different "philosophies" to traction (transition channel, vs no transition channel), so might not play well together.

Wet rock and roots are exactly what I'm looking to use these on.
 

Leafy

Monkey
Sep 13, 2019
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If Tech climbing is a thing I’d look for a tire that has a bunch of closer together center knobs and in a sticky compound. The further apart center knobs like on the nn it feels like the root or sharper edge of a rock will get in the space between the knobs and just shoot you off to the side. I’m loving the trail boss rear in high grip, And it feels good together with the dhr up front, it would probably be a little weird with the mm or dhf and the float zone.

ran it with an mm super sticky on the front. It may have been better as a super soft Also rather than just a soft.
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
4,659
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Australia
This is good to know. Do you have a suggestion for what would pair well with a Magic Mary in the front? I feel like the MM and Big Betty have two different "philosophies" to traction (transition channel, vs no transition channel), so might not play well together.
I'm running MM f and BB r at the moment. Damn good combo.

Schwalbe had a proto front tyre on a few DH bikes this year. I'd like to find out more about what that was.
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
8,492
4,169
Ottawa, Canada
I'm running MM f and BB r at the moment. Damn good combo.

Schwalbe had a proto front tyre on a few DH bikes this year. I'd like to find out more about what that was.
Yeah, the MM is the tits.
Thanks for the feedback. I ordered the MM + BB. plus a 2.5 DHF EXO+ for next summer. I've been on dual DHR2 for a while, and recently the T7 Spesh Butcher Grid Trail, so this will give me a decent sample to refresh my opinion.
 
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Cerberus75

Monkey
Feb 18, 2017
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This is good to know. Do you have a suggestion for what would pair well with a Magic Mary in the front? I feel like the MM and Big Betty have two different "philosophies" to traction (transition channel, vs no transition channel), so might not play well together.

Wet rock and roots are exactly what I'm looking to use these on.
MM Ultra Soft Front or wider Front
MM soft rear or narrower. I can't tell any rolling resistance from a Hans Dampf to a Mary. But grip its the Tits.
 

Rhubarb

Monkey
Jan 11, 2009
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I finally got around to trying a DHR2 on the front of my trail bike. Holy hell thats a good fun tyre on gravel turns when you're pushing.
Music to my ears. I ended up going DHR2 front and rear for my hardtail tires next Summer. Most alternatives were not available, or at full price, and I decided to go with something I felt was a safe bet.
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
4,204
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sw ontario canada
Music to my ears. I ended up going DHR2 front and rear for my hardtail tires next Summer. Most alternatives were not available, or at full price, and I decided to go with something I felt was a safe bet.
On the trailbike I've been running DHR2 front and rear for a couple of years.
Switch to Dissector and Assegai in the fall cause that pair deals with leaf litter and pine straw a bit better.
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
4,659
3,557
Australia
On the trailbike I've been running DHR2 front and rear for a couple of years.
Switch to Dissector and Assegai in the fall cause that pair deals with leaf litter and pine straw a bit better.
We're heading into a very wet summer here so I'll probably opt for an Assegai front rather than the DHR2 for the muck. One other thing - while the DHR2 has awesome edge grip, there is a little bit of a dead spot if you're not all the way on the edge or straight up and down. If your trails are too tight to allow a proper lean angle it can do a weird grip-slip-grip if the transition is too slow or you do a prolonged cross-camber section. It eventually grabs but it can cause a mid-turn line adjustment while you get used to it. Its not an issue at proper speeds though.
 

Leafy

Monkey
Sep 13, 2019
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Are you sure you aren’t talking about the dhf? That’s the minion that doesn’t clear mud well and has the float zone at not enough lean angle.
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
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Australia
Are you sure you aren’t talking about the dhf? That’s the minion that doesn’t clear mud well and has the float zone at not enough lean angle.
Nah running a DHR2, although to be fair its the MaxxTerra variant so maybe MaxxGrip would be fine.
 

Andeh

Customer Title
Mar 3, 2020
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That rubber looks so plastic-y and slippery. And they couldn't even be bothered to find a tire for the promo shots that had the left/right blocks aligned right on the seem? :disgust1:
 

djjohnr

Turbo Monkey
Apr 21, 2002
2,804
1,504
Northern California
That rubber looks so plastic-y and slippery. And they couldn't even be bothered to find a tire for the promo shots that had the left/right blocks aligned right on the seem? :disgust1:
That actually generated an idea for me - what if the central knobs on tires that have two paired knobs in the center were offset - L/R/L/R etc. Would that provide better lateral grip?
 

Leafy

Monkey
Sep 13, 2019
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217
That actually generated an idea for me - what if the central knobs on tires that have two paired knobs in the center were offset - L/R/L/R etc. Would that provide better lateral grip?
It may give you lower rolling resistance while not sacrificing mud clearing but it bet it’ll feel really weird riding straight on hard pack if you’re using big mud spike lugs like that.
 

konifere

Chimp
Dec 20, 2021
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The first ones are basically the E Thirteen TRS A/T with very slight differences. Since VEE manufactures the E13 tires, it's not surprising.

FWIW, in the Mopo compound (40A), they are my favorite tire ever in all the conditions I've encountered (except mud) and I'm using DHRIIs and Magic Marys on my other bike. Plus they (were) much cheaper than any other brand, especially coming from German stores. Now they discontinued the Trail (1050g) version so I'll have to get the next lightest option (1200g) or find something else.
 

jayblackll

Chimp
Apr 27, 2012
4
1
Maybe not the most scientific test, but the guy is measuring durometer and damping characteristics of a maxxis' 2c and 3c compounds. Also the damping of the sidewall.
I've found it quite interesting how bouncy the exo casing is compared to exo+
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
4,659
3,557
Australia
Listening to the latest Downtime podcast with Amaury Pierron, at the end he's asked what tyres he prefers and he mentions some new Schwalbe offerings. Name sounds like Tacky Chan but can't be sure, maybe the new proto tyre we saw spy shots of last season.
 

toodles

ridiculously corgi proportioned
Aug 24, 2004
4,659
3,557
Australia
Just got a pair of the new Continental Kryptotals delivered yesterday and unpacked them. Will mount them up for the upcoming Trans Tassie enduro in a few weeks.

I went the DH casing as I wanted to get the SuperSoft compound on the front and its not available in the Enduro casing yet, plus new brand of tyres so thought I'd err on the side of durability.

Pleasantly, their 3 ply DH casing is about the same weight as a Maxxis DD casing. Thumbnail durometer test puts them a smidge more firm than a MaxxGrip Assegai I'd say but still damn soft. Keen to test em out - I like the look of the minimal logos and the textured surface on the casing.

Continental Kryptotal F 27.5 x 2.4 (DH, SuperSoft) 1230g
Continental Kryptotal R 27.5 x 2.4 (DH, Soft) 1235g
 

StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
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Just got a pair of the new Continental Kryptotals delivered yesterday and unpacked them. Will mount them up for the upcoming Trans Tassie enduro in a few weeks.

I went the DH casing as I wanted to get the SuperSoft compound on the front and its not available in the Enduro casing yet, plus new brand of tyres so thought I'd err on the side of durability.

Pleasantly, their 3 ply DH casing is about the same weight as a Maxxis DD casing. Thumbnail durometer test puts them a smidge more firm than a MaxxGrip Assegai I'd say but still damn soft. Keen to test em out - I like the look of the minimal logos and the textured surface on the casing.

Continental Kryptotal F 27.5 x 2.4 (DH, SuperSoft) 1230g
Continental Kryptotal R 27.5 x 2.4 (DH, Soft) 1235g
That's lighter than same size orange Big Betty in the SuperTrail casing.
 

jrewing

Chimp
Aug 22, 2010
63
1
Bilgola, Oz
Has anyone had experience with the Schwalbe Bikepark MM e-50 tyres? The prices make it seem tempting. But skidding on my shoulder/elbows potentially don’t. Cant find anything on the Durometer of them.